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Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 10:44 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 08:01 am Good morning.

If Winn Walker and Scott hit for league average, combined with JJ Herrera and Donovans replacement, would the Cardinals be

- below .500
- .500
-or above .500.

My thought is, if these guys improve, isn’t that the same as old prospects blossoming. Just took time and right environment.

Then the adding of two studs aces, and a big bat, would make them formidable.

If these guys don’t produce, then the job to over haul is immense.

Thought.

Where the cardinals end up will depend a lot more on the rotation than what those guys do. The rotation killed the cardinals last season. Oli is a paint by numbers manager the bullpen has the makings to be good again and have 7,8,9 guys for him to go to with a lead they just need a rotation to get there to reduce the amount of times oli has to manage if bloom can fix the rotation to give him that then they can be decent

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 08:01 am Good morning.

If Winn Walker and Scott hit for league average, combined with JJ Herrera and Donovans replacement, would the Cardinals be

- below .500
- .500
-or above .500.

My thought is, if these guys improve, isn’t that the same as old prospects blossoming. Just took time and right environment.

Then the adding of two studs aces, and a big bat, would make them formidable.

If these guys don’t produce, then the job to over haul is immense.

Thought.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 08:01 am Good morning.

If Winn Walker and Scott hit for league average, combined with JJ Herrera and Donovans replacement, would the Cardinals be

- below .500
- .500
-or above .500.

My thought is, if these guys improve, isn’t that the same as old prospects blossoming. Just took time and right environment.

Then the adding of two studs aces, and a big bat, would make them formidable.

If these guys don’t produce, then the job to over haul is immense.

Thought.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 08:01 am Good morning.

If Winn Walker and Scott hit for league average, combined with JJ Herrera and Donovans replacement, would the Cardinals be

- below .500
- .500
-or above .500.

My thought is, if these guys improve, isn’t that the same as old prospects blossoming. Just took time and right environment.

Then the adding of two studs aces, and a big bat, would make them formidable.

If these guys don’t produce, then the job to over haul is immense.

Thought.

TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 13:58 pm OP is correct in my opinion. If Winn, Scott, Walker and may I add Gorman have league average production our offense will begin to take off. What I would like to see is a trade of Nootbaar and another year with the birds on the bat with a healthy Donovan. The first half of the year when Donovan was healthy he was elite. I worry that expecting Wetherholt to replace his bat this year is too much pressure. I’d like to see Donovan in Left Field and I hope Walker rises to well above league average. It’s also time to see Gorman hit 30 plus bombs. Maybe more importantly than hit league average, Scott needs to run more often.

ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Nov 2025 07:20 am Think about it .. Hoping for guys who hit BELOW the league average currently now hit the league average , the league average would now be at a higher level than previously so they would still fall short.

Simple example .. if the league average was .245 and all the guys under .245 next year hit exactly .245 , then the new league average may jump to .260 The low guys are still going to be below average. It's just the math .

Then fans grouse that our .245 hitters cannot hit league average once again. Never ends

TheFantasyStud wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 13:58 pm OP is correct in my opinion. If Winn, Scott, Walker and may I add Gorman have league average production our offense will begin to take off. What I would like to see is a trade of Nootbaar and another year with the birds on the bat with a healthy Donovan. The first half of the year when Donovan was healthy he was elite. I worry that expecting Wetherholt to replace his bat this year is too much pressure. I’d like to see Donovan in Left Field and I hope Walker rises to well above league average. It’s also time to see Gorman hit 30 plus bombs. Maybe more importantly than hit league average, Scott needs to run more often.

ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Nov 2025 07:43 am Wonder if the ABS system will factor into the averages too. Guys with 2 strikes who take the next pitch called a ball is challenged by the catcher and overturned to strike and batter sits down with strikeout vs. a 3-2 count and next pitch is called strike 3 but overturned to ball 4 and he walks .
Will they even out 50/50 or tip one way more than the other.

In watching games, I think there is tendency for umpires to miss on the high /low balls more than the in/out pitches.
Seems to me that more balls BELOW the strikezone (below the knees ) are called strikes and higher pitches that do hit the top of the strike zone chest high tend to be called 'balls' more.

I think our No. 1 pick P Liam Doyle may benefit from the ABS He throws a lot of high 100 mph fastballs at the top of the zone. Umps calling those 'balls' may get more reversed to Doyle's favor when replay shows his pitch hit the top of the horizontal line. Just my observation and opinion. The stats may not bear my theory out.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 11:01 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 08:01 am Good morning.

If Winn Walker and Scott hit for league average, combined with JJ Herrera and Donovans replacement, would the Cardinals be

- below .500
- .500
-or above .500.

My thought is, if these guys improve, isn’t that the same as old prospects blossoming. Just took time and right environment.

Then the adding of two studs aces, and a big bat, would make them formidable.

If these guys don’t produce, then the job to over haul is immense.

Thought.

I don't think any of those three will be league average (100 wRC+) hitters.

But if I had to pick, then it would be Winn and just at league average (100 wRC+).

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑18 Nov 2025 09:09 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 11:01 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 08:01 am Good morning.

If Winn Walker and Scott hit for league average, combined with JJ Herrera and Donovans replacement, would the Cardinals be

- below .500
- .500
-or above .500.

My thought is, if these guys improve, isn’t that the same as old prospects blossoming. Just took time and right environment.

Then the adding of two studs aces, and a big bat, would make them formidable.

If these guys don’t produce, then the job to over haul is immense.

Thought.

I don't think any of those three will be league average (100 wRC+) hitters.

But if I had to pick, then it would be Winn and just at league average (100 wRC+).

Meh. I think Winn just finished his sophomore year. Expect 115 WRC+ this year.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 08:01 am Good morning.

If Winn Walker and Scott hit for league average, combined with JJ Herrera and Donovans replacement, would the Cardinals be

- below .500
- .500
-or above .500.

My thought is, if these guys improve, isn’t that the same as old prospects blossoming. Just took time and right environment.

Then the adding of two studs aces, and a big bat, would make them formidable.

If these guys don’t produce, then the job to over haul is immense.

Thought.

Absolut wrote: ↑18 Nov 2025 09:37 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑16 Nov 2025 08:01 am Good morning.

If Winn Walker and Scott hit for league average, combined with JJ Herrera and Donovans replacement, would the Cardinals be

- below .500
- .500
-or above .500.

My thought is, if these guys improve, isn’t that the same as old prospects blossoming. Just took time and right environment.

Then the adding of two studs aces, and a big bat, would make them formidable.

If these guys don’t produce, then the job to over haul is immense.

Thought.

Man, punctuate. Couldn’t figure out who Scott Walker was.

I’m ok banking on improvement from a growing and healthier Winn. The other two, any plan that banks on them improving is selling magic beans.