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ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 12:41 pmHolding Burleson and Hererra are what I thought made sense. Move Contreras and open up 1B/DH for those two.

Interest in Donovan isn't surprising. What we get in return is the question.

Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 12:45 pm Well after some of the proposals, I Just can't imagine an infield of Gorman, JJ, Saggese, and Burleson . That just moves too few tickets.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:09 pm That would be silly IMO. A GG shortstop who has not turned 24 y/o yet and has already shown bat potential at the MLB level, who doesn't hit free agency until 2030, is a commodity that you pair with a JJW type.

Winn wasn't mentioned in the article or chat because anyone with any sense knows that Winn isn't on the table unless someone just blows the Cards away with a silly offer.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:20 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:09 pm That would be silly IMO. A GG shortstop who has not turned 24 y/o yet and has already shown bat potential at the MLB level, who doesn't hit free agency until 2030, is a commodity that you pair with a JJW type.

Winn wasn't mentioned in the article or chat because anyone with any sense knows that Winn isn't on the table unless someone just blows the Cards away with a silly offer.

Yep. You could have potentially two All Stars up the middle for you. Winn will be 24 next year. He's very young and he's been basically a slightly below average to average hitter the last two years. He still has room to grow. Ozzie Smith didn't make the majors until 23 and was a terrible offensive player until almost 30. Let's give Winn some time to mature. I'm extending him this offseason if I'm Bloom.

Of course if you get blown away by a team you have to consider it, but I don't see that happening.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:12 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 12:41 pmHolding Burleson and Hererra are what I thought made sense. Move Contreras and open up 1B/DH for those two.

Interest in Donovan isn't surprising. What we get in return is the question.

That is pretty much where I stand as well with regards to Burleson and Herrera. I would say, however, if you can't trade Willson for whatever reason, I think you have to trade Burleson.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:09 pm

Jatalk wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:03 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 11:38 am Somewhat interesting to me that Masyn Winn was not mentioned as a “prefer to hold on to” player. Especially with JJ knocking on the door.

He’d make a valuable piece to a trade involving a high potential TOTR or power hitter

I’d rather keep Donovan and trade Winn but all options have to be considered.

That would be silly IMO. A GG shortstop who has not turned 24 y/o yet and has already shown bat potential at the MLB level, who doesn't hit free agency until 2030, is a commodity that you pair with a JJW type.

Winn wasn't mentioned in the article or chat because anyone with any sense knows that Winn isn't on the table unless someone just blows the Cards away with a silly offer.

12xu wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 11:43 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 11:33 am Derrick Goold
@dgoold
A match made in Missouri:

Count #KCRoyals among teams interested in Brendan Donovan, per sources. And they're open to talk about trading one of their starters to find a bat. #stlcards are shopping for a start. Show-Me a deal?


Derrick Goold
@dgoold
Cardinals All-Star Brendan Donovan among most coveted hitters in trade talks, per multiple sources.

Bloom should insist on Noah Cameron from KC.

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:37 pm Give me Noah Cameron and a prospect from KC but I’m sure they’re not wanting to trade him. Pass if they offer Kolek and/or Bergert.

Jatalk wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 14:03 pm

Banner29 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 11:38 am Somewhat interesting to me that Masyn Winn was not mentioned as a “prefer to hold on to” player. Especially with JJ knocking on the door.

He’d make a valuable piece to a trade involving a high potential TOTR or power hitter

I’d rather keep Donovan and trade Winn but all options have to be considered.

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:44 pm

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:37 pm Give me Noah Cameron and a prospect from KC but I’m sure they’re not wanting to trade him. Pass if they offer Kolek and/or Bergert.

Here's AI's take on a Cameron for Donovan swap:

Here’s how a **Donovan-for-Cameron trade** compares based on control, value, and team needs:

***

### **Control & Salaries**

**Noah Cameron (Royals):**

| Factor | Detail |
| --------------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Control** | Through 2027 arbitration, free agent in 2032 [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P), [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... ah-cameron) |
| **2025 Salary** | Pre-arbitration at \~$760K [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... ah-cameron) |

**Brendan Donovan (Cardinals):**

| Factor | Detail |
| --------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Control** | Arbitration-eligible through 2027, free agent in 2028 [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... an-donovan) |
| **2025 Salary** | $2.85M (requested $3.3M) [\[ksl.com\]](https://www.ksl.com/article/51250731/do ... 85-million), [\[krcgtv.com\]](https://krcgtv.com/sports/content/cardi ... -wednesday) |

***

### **Performance & Value**

**Noah Cameron (2025):**

* 2.99 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 138 IP, \~1.8 fWAR [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P), [\[baseball-r...erence.com\]](https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... no01.shtml)
* Strong breaking pitches, but likely to regress (FIP 4.18, xERA 3.97) [\[sports.yahoo.com\]](https://sports.yahoo.com/article/2025-s ... 00508.html), [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P)

**Brendan Donovan (2024–25):**

* Three-season total: .280 AVG, 30 HR, \~7.4 WAR [\[newsnow.com\]](https://www.newsnow.com/us/Sports/MLB/MLB+Trades), [\[ksl.com\]](https://www.ksl.com/article/51250731/do ... 85-million)

***

### **Team Intentions & Tradeability**

* **Royals** have pitching depth, may trade Cameron to improve offense [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/news/roya ... line-curt9), [\[soyfutbol.com\]](https://www.soyfutbol.com/en/news/Is-No ... -0057.html)
* Offense needs remain **primary priority** for Royals 2026 [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/onsi/news ... 2026-curt9), [\[kingsofkauffman.com\]](https://kingsofkauffman.com/2-glaring-n ... jswa8zadb7)

***

### **Is It a Fair 1-for-1?**

* **Edge to Donovan**: Higher WAR, exceptional versatility, stronger market value
* **Edge to Cameron**: Longer team control through 2027, cost-efficiency
* **Market Expectations**: Royals would require **Donovan + at least one additional mid-tier prospect** to trade Cameron [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/news/roya ... line-curt9), [\[soyfutbol.com\]](https://www.soyfutbol.com/en/news/Is-No ... -0057.html)

***

### **Conclusion**

* A straight **1-for-1** swap would **favor the Royals**.
* To balance value, **Cardinals must include a mid-tier prospect** alongside Donovan.
* The package needs to reflect fair value for Cameron’s control and upside—and meet the Royals’ need for offense.

***

smilinjoefission wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:46 pm It'll be Cole Ragans, and he'll be hurt most of the 4 seasons he's here...but it'll probably be Bubic and he'll be horrid the 2 seasons he's here.

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:48 pm

TraveledLessRoad wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:44 pm

cardinalsfan27 wrote: ↑13 Nov 2025 15:37 pm Give me Noah Cameron and a prospect from KC but I’m sure they’re not wanting to trade him. Pass if they offer Kolek and/or Bergert.

Here's AI's take on a Cameron for Donovan swap:

Here’s how a **Donovan-for-Cameron trade** compares based on control, value, and team needs:

***

### **Control & Salaries**

**Noah Cameron (Royals):**

| Factor | Detail |
| --------------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Control** | Through 2027 arbitration, free agent in 2032 [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P), [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... ah-cameron) |
| **2025 Salary** | Pre-arbitration at \~$760K [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... ah-cameron) |

**Brendan Donovan (Cardinals):**

| Factor | Detail |
| --------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| **Control** | Arbitration-eligible through 2027, free agent in 2028 [\[spotrac.com\]](https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/player/_/id ... an-donovan) |
| **2025 Salary** | $2.85M (requested $3.3M) [\[ksl.com\]](https://www.ksl.com/article/51250731/do ... 85-million), [\[krcgtv.com\]](https://krcgtv.com/sports/content/cardi ... -wednesday) |

***

### **Performance & Value**

**Noah Cameron (2025):**

* 2.99 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 138 IP, \~1.8 fWAR [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P), [\[baseball-r...erence.com\]](https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... no01.shtml)
* Strong breaking pitches, but likely to regress (FIP 4.18, xERA 3.97) [\[sports.yahoo.com\]](https://sports.yahoo.com/article/2025-s ... 00508.html), [\[fangraphs.com\]](https://www.fangraphs.com/players/noah- ... position=P)

**Brendan Donovan (2024–25):**

* Three-season total: .280 AVG, 30 HR, \~7.4 WAR [\[newsnow.com\]](https://www.newsnow.com/us/Sports/MLB/MLB+Trades), [\[ksl.com\]](https://www.ksl.com/article/51250731/do ... 85-million)

***

### **Team Intentions & Tradeability**

* **Royals** have pitching depth, may trade Cameron to improve offense [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/news/roya ... line-curt9), [\[soyfutbol.com\]](https://www.soyfutbol.com/en/news/Is-No ... -0057.html)
* Offense needs remain **primary priority** for Royals 2026 [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/onsi/news ... 2026-curt9), [\[kingsofkauffman.com\]](https://kingsofkauffman.com/2-glaring-n ... jswa8zadb7)

***

### **Is It a Fair 1-for-1?**

* **Edge to Donovan**: Higher WAR, exceptional versatility, stronger market value
* **Edge to Cameron**: Longer team control through 2027, cost-efficiency
* **Market Expectations**: Royals would require **Donovan + at least one additional mid-tier prospect** to trade Cameron [\[si.com\]](https://www.si.com/mlb/royals/news/roya ... line-curt9), [\[soyfutbol.com\]](https://www.soyfutbol.com/en/news/Is-No ... -0057.html)

***

### **Conclusion**

* A straight **1-for-1** swap would **favor the Royals**.
* To balance value, **Cardinals must include a mid-tier prospect** alongside Donovan.
* The package needs to reflect fair value for Cameron’s control and upside—and meet the Royals’ need for offense.

***

I’d do a 1 for 1 trade or even throw in a low level prospect for Cameron.