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11WSChamps wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:39 pm No reason to rush him.

Kid has a lot to learn and the team isn't going anywhere next season.

Skipping steps in the process is not a recipe for success.

Well , you do realize that steps have already been skipped with Doyle. They 'skipped' him past High A ball Peoria and put him Double A immediately.

Every player has to be promoted based on their own play and growth. Mike Trout played in the majors at age 19. Did the Angels skip steps ? Yes, Did they rush him ? Some would argue Yes but looking at his major league years in his first three years, he could have played those at Double A and Triple A . If Pierpont /Bloom etc. deems a kid is ready , then you play him . They are the evaluators .
The question on his readiness for MLB will he how quickly they feel his secondary pitch(s) will play at MLB level. No doubt he has the fastball for MLB right now.

ramfandan wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:53 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:39 pm No reason to rush him.

Kid has a lot to learn and the team isn't going anywhere next season.

Skipping steps in the process is not a recipe for success.

Well , you do realize that steps have already been skipped with Doyle. They 'skipped' him past High A ball Peoria and put him Double A immediately.

Every player has to be promoted based on their own play and growth. Mike Trout played in the majors at age 19. Did the Angels skip steps ? Yes, Did they rush him ? Some would argue Yes but looking at his major league years in his first three years, he could have played those at Double A and Triple A . If Pierpont /Bloom etc. deems a kid is ready , then you play him . They are the evaluators .

no one in their right minds would put Doyle anywhere near Peoria's pitching department...not in his initial offering...and I won't even start with Ryan Campos as catcher. Springfield has the best developmental tools outside of Palm Beach. Palm Beach's season was over. And Springfield had a spot available for a BP game.

Look, Doyle was the #5 pick, you can't get away from that. But let's not write a legend that hasn't begun...not just yet.

He'll start in AA...b/c that's where all the College Pundits say that elite SEC talent starts....industry known standard. Not something special created just for Liam Doyle.

craviduce wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 16:01 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:53 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:39 pm No reason to rush him.

Kid has a lot to learn and the team isn't going anywhere next season.

Skipping steps in the process is not a recipe for success.

Well , you do realize that steps have already been skipped with Doyle. They 'skipped' him past High A ball Peoria and put him Double A immediately.

Every player has to be promoted based on their own play and growth. Mike Trout played in the majors at age 19. Did the Angels skip steps ? Yes, Did they rush him ? Some would argue Yes but looking at his major league years in his first three years, he could have played those at Double A and Triple A . If Pierpont /Bloom etc. deems a kid is ready , then you play him . They are the evaluators .

no one in their right minds would put Doyle anywhere near Peoria's pitching department...not in his initial offering...and I won't even start with Ryan Campos as catcher. Springfield has the best developmental tools outside of Palm Beach. Palm Beach's season was over. And Springfield had a spot available for a BP game.

Look, Doyle was the #5 pick, you can't get away from that. But let's not write a legend that hasn't begun...not just yet.

He'll start in AA...b/c that's where all the College Pundits say that elite SEC talent starts....industry known standard. Not something special created just for Liam Doyle.

Craviduce , when do you see Doyle going to AAA ball ? and do you see him getting 'an invite' to Spring Training this year in Jupiter ?
How long do you anticipate him being in Springfield ?

Furthermore... he NEEDS work and repetition on the offspeed, or he'll be his Floor really quick....next closer for the St. Louis Cardinals. You don't rush this guy.

He'll likely K a bunch of people in AA, and more than half of you will say "OMG, it's Bloom and we should rush him now to the Majors". Please, don't ignore the other peripherals...BB/9, HR/9, BBA, etc.

Good pick, but he comes with some of the lowest floor I've seen in a #5 pick in a long time. That scares me.

ramfandan wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 16:07 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 16:01 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:53 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:39 pm No reason to rush him.

Kid has a lot to learn and the team isn't going anywhere next season.

Skipping steps in the process is not a recipe for success.

Well , you do realize that steps have already been skipped with Doyle. They 'skipped' him past High A ball Peoria and put him Double A immediately.

Every player has to be promoted based on their own play and growth. Mike Trout played in the majors at age 19. Did the Angels skip steps ? Yes, Did they rush him ? Some would argue Yes but looking at his major league years in his first three years, he could have played those at Double A and Triple A . If Pierpont /Bloom etc. deems a kid is ready , then you play him . They are the evaluators .

no one in their right minds would put Doyle anywhere near Peoria's pitching department...not in his initial offering...and I won't even start with Ryan Campos as catcher. Springfield has the best developmental tools outside of Palm Beach. Palm Beach's season was over. And Springfield had a spot available for a BP game.

Look, Doyle was the #5 pick, you can't get away from that. But let's not write a legend that hasn't begun...not just yet.

He'll start in AA...b/c that's where all the College Pundits say that elite SEC talent starts....industry known standard. Not something special created just for Liam Doyle.

Craviduce , when do you see Doyle going to AAA ball ? and do you see him getting 'an invite' to Spring Training this year in Jupiter ?
How long do you anticipate him being in Springfield ?

#1 pick, he'll get an NRI (So did JJ, Chase, Hjerpe, etc)...unless he's injured. When does he go to AAA? When he's ready...not before.

Bloom and his proteges have definitely brought a new "feel" regarding Cardinal development. Which is a good thing.

Marmot and Blake cannot be anywhere near Doyle - EVER.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 12:30 pm His fastball would probably play now. He will need more than that to survive and it seems like a good part of his development could be working on those secondary pitches. I don't expect to see him in St Louis at all next season.

Love to hear he throws a splitter; could be a devastating pitch off his FB.

Tennessee LHP Liam Doyle pitch grips | 2025 MLB Draft

Matt Pierpont , Cardinals dir. of pitching, was with Seattle Mariners in 2023 as asst. pitching coordinator . That year the Mariners promoted P Brian Woo from Double A - Arkansas Travelers to the majors with Mariners.
Wonder if Cardinals under new regime would consider skipping Triple A or not .

Read this as to reason why Seattle did that ... This was their reason

Woo made his MLB debut on June 3, 2023, starting against the Texas Rangers. The Mariners' strategy for their top pitching prospects often involves skipping the Triple-A level to avoid the hitter-friendly conditions of the Pacific Coast League (PCL).

Note" Cardinals though are in the International League for AAA NOT the PCL.

rage-STL wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 16:38 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 12:30 pm His fastball would probably play now. He will need more than that to survive and it seems like a good part of his development could be working on those secondary pitches. I don't expect to see him in St Louis at all next season.

Love to hear he throws a splitter; could be a devastating pitch off his FB.

Tennessee LHP Liam Doyle pitch grips | 2025 MLB Draft

Thankx for sharing the pitch grips ! Yes, agree that the splitter could be a devastating secondary pitch for him . Imagine if he develops a curve ball down the line he talked that he is experimenting with ..

If Doyle plays in AAA this year, I hope to drive to Nashville and catch him pitching vs. the Brewers AAA team -the Sounds . That's about 2 hour drive for me ... and I can return the same night though late.
Going to Memphis is nearly 5 hours.. 326 miles one way.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:39 pm No reason to rush him.

Kid has a lot to learn and the team isn't going anywhere next season.

Skipping steps in the process is not a recipe for success.

maybe even down a few games compared to this year? possibly so.
you know, one step forward, two steps back

Super excited about Doyle’s potential.
Why on earth should we rush him in 2026?????

Cusecards wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 18:46 pm Super excited about Doyle’s potential.
Why on earth should we rush him in 2026?????

agree

82birds wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 18:50 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 18:46 pm Super excited about Doyle’s potential.
Why on earth should we rush him in 2026?????

agree

You can’t teach velocity.
Let the kid work on his secondary pitches!
Too many bored posters.

ramfandan wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:53 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:39 pm No reason to rush him.

Kid has a lot to learn and the team isn't going anywhere next season.

Skipping steps in the process is not a recipe for success.

Well , you do realize that steps have already been skipped with Doyle. They 'skipped' him past High A ball Peoria and put him Double A immediately.

Every player has to be promoted based on their own play and growth. Mike Trout played in the majors at age 19. Did the Angels skip steps ? Yes, Did they rush him ? Some would argue Yes but looking at his major league years in his first three years, he could have played those at Double A and Triple A . If Pierpont /Bloom etc. deems a kid is ready , then you play him . They are the evaluators .
The question on his readiness for MLB will he how quickly they feel his secondary pitch(s) will play at MLB level. No doubt he has the fastball for MLB right now.

I'm well aware.

Are you aware that baseball people acknowledge pitching for Tennessee in the SEC is akin to pitching in AA ball?

That's been the standard for years for first rounders out of that conference and others.

Using Trout as an example? Talk about an outlier.

Why didn't you mention David Clyde or Joe Nuxhall?

The point is a year or 20-25 starts at Memphis would be plenty in terms of learning. The team won't be competitive and there's no need to start his clock.

You pom pom wavers have a terrible habit of hyping up these "prospects" and then the excuses come later.

There's no need for him to pitch here next season.

The "evaluators" hopefully understand why.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑07 Nov 2025 15:39 pm No reason to rush him.

n.Kid has a lot to learn and the team isn't going anywhere next season

Skipping steps in the process is not a recipe for success.

Can understand 'the kid has a lot to learn' as a reason for any player but do not follow the 'and the team isn't going anywhere next season ' as
rationale for not promoting a player who may be ready .
The Oakland A's were certainly 'not going anywhere in 2025 ' yet they promoted Nick Kurtz to the majors (the 4th pick in 2024 draft and three picks ahead of JJ Wetherholt ). The A's won fewer games than the Cardinals yet felt it OK to promote Kurtz for they felt he was ready . Don't see how 'the team isn't going anywhere ' justifies not promoting someone who the front office feels is ready. Kurtz was certainly deserving of a shot in the majors. The fact the team was lousy should not deter the FO to hold him back in the minors IMO