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Bloom is not trading Winn or Wetherholt. That's a potential middle infield combo for multiple years.

As for the rest of the ML roster, I think he holds onto Burleson and Herrera. Anyone else is expendable.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 22:48 pm Bloom is not trading Winn or Wetherholt. That's a potential middle infield combo for multiple years.

As for the rest of the ML roster, I think he holds onto Burleson and Herrera. Anyone else is expendable.

That's the way I see it. They aren't trading Doyle either. I guess there could be a surprise trade but not involving the 3 mentioned. Someone needing a lefty bat could overpay for Burly. And really we are so strapped for rh bats, it would have to be a big overpay for Herrera. But people don't normally overpay for defensive liabilities.

Shady wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 19:15 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 18:56 pm

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 18:53 pm Winn is not untouchable...because there's a non-zero chance that whoever is Sacramento's GM would give us Kurtz for Winn.

It would take a trade like that.

Are you saying you think there's even a 1 percent chance the As would trade Kurtz for Masyn?

With Wetherholt a suitable replacement at SS, That Winn for Kurtz kind of trade kind of makes sense. Do the A's need a SS?

No they have Jacob Wilson, All Star. Even if they didn't have a SS there is no way they would trade Kurtz for Winn

sp25 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 17:19 pm

Frank Gallagher wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 17:12 pm JJW and Doyle are the untouchables. Winn should not be considered untouchable

A gold glove SS is hard to find. I expect his offense to continue to improve.

Is there another SS in the Cardinals pipeline?

JJ

Y'all are morons.

Every single one of you.

lined2left wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 07:52 am Y'all are morons.

Every single one of you.

Around here, we spell it moran.

JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

It would also need to include a young power hitting prospect with a lot of upside. The return for Winn would need to be comparable to what the Padres gave for Soto.

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:38 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

It would also need to include a young power hitting prospect with a lot of upside. The return for Winn would need to be comparable to what the Padres gave for Sosa.

You make life so hard for yourself. I think you meant Soto? And, are you kidding?

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:38 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

It would also need to include a young power hitting prospect with a lot of upside. The return for Winn would need to be comparable to what the Padres gave for Sosa.

Soto?

and no...Soto is/was worth more than Winn.

craviduce wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:47 am

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:38 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

It would also need to include a young power hitting prospect with a lot of upside. The return for Winn would need to be comparable to what the Padres gave for Sosa.

Soto?

and no...Soto is/was worth more than Winn.

Winn could be a long-term fixture at a critical defensive position for a team, not a short term fix like Soto was.

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:51 am

craviduce wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:47 am

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:38 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

It would also need to include a young power hitting prospect with a lot of upside. The return for Winn would need to be comparable to what the Padres gave for Sosa.

Soto?

and no...Soto is/was worth more than Winn.

Winn could be a long-term fixture at a critical defensive position for a team, not a short term fix like Soto was.

and you're STILL NOT going to get the return for Winn that the Nats got for Soto. Look it up, the Cards are not getting that haul of nearly ready MLB players for Winn. Yes, they'd get a decent return...but nothing like you blindly claim. Do your homework.

I'll give you 2 this time.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

H A T E R

don't say nuffin' bad about MyManMasyn

craviduce wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:54 am

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:51 am

craviduce wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:47 am

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:38 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

It would also need to include a young power hitting prospect with a lot of upside. The return for Winn would need to be comparable to what the Padres gave for Sosa.

Soto?

and no...Soto is/was worth more than Winn.

Winn could be a long-term fixture at a critical defensive position for a team, not a short term fix like Soto was.

and you're STILL NOT going to get the return for Winn that the Nats got for Soto. Look it up, the Cards are not getting that haul of nearly ready MLB players for Winn. Yes, they'd get a decent return...but nothing like you blindly claim. Do your homework.

I'll give you 2 this time.

Ok, like I mentioned previously. A really high level power hitting prospect in addition to a future top of the rotation starting pitcher might work for Winn. Plug Wetherholt in at SS. The position he predominantly played in the minors. Just hot stove talk, crav.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑04 Nov 2025 22:48 pm Bloom is not trading Winn or Wetherholt. That's a potential middle infield combo for multiple years.

As for the rest of the ML roster, I think he holds onto Burleson and Herrera. Anyone else is expendable.

Assuming the Cards trade Gray, I think Libby and McGreevy basically become untouchable by default/necessity as the only returning SP for the ML rotation. They couldn't afford to create more holes in that scenario. Already need to sign/acquire two SPs at least, can't make it three.

And no, putting Pallante back in the rotation is not an option they should entertain.

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 10:00 am

craviduce wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:54 am

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:51 am

craviduce wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:47 am

Shady wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 09:38 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 08:49 am JJW---Untouchable
I. Hererra---Untouchable
L. Doyle---Untouchable


M. Winn---No

I wouldn't be actively shopping him but if some GM came offering a young starter w/FOTR upside and years of control, then I'd deal him.

(And no, this doesn't make me a "hater" )

It would also need to include a young power hitting prospect with a lot of upside. The return for Winn would need to be comparable to what the Padres gave for Sosa.

Soto?

and no...Soto is/was worth more than Winn.

Winn could be a long-term fixture at a critical defensive position for a team, not a short term fix like Soto was.

and you're STILL NOT going to get the return for Winn that the Nats got for Soto. Look it up, the Cards are not getting that haul of nearly ready MLB players for Winn. Yes, they'd get a decent return...but nothing like you blindly claim. Do your homework.

I'll give you 2 this time.

Ok, like I mentioned previously. A really high level power hitting prospect in addition to a future top of the rotation pitcher might work. Plug Wetherholt in at SS. The position he predominantly played in the minors. Just hot stove talk.

again...do your homework. Learn who a player is...the guy who will probably place 2nd or 3rd in the NL MVP vote.... Juan "Soto". Then look up the players worth...then compare.

Wetherholt's best position will be 2B....his footwork, throwing, and decision making is best at 2B. Plus, you don't want to shed RHB just to shed them. Winn stays, he can hit...or at least holds his own.