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ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 09:26 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:53 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:47 am If he is at all tradeable, I wish they would trade Pallante. if he is here, they will be tempted to put him in the rotation.

I’m the only Pallante guy here I think. I’ve seen several very well pitched games, so it’s not talent or potential that’s missing. The problem is what gets most pro athletes, consistency. He is currently our number five. That’s five innings of four run ball. On those days it’s solely up to the offense.

The number five game is a toss up anyway.

You just described a 7.20 ERA.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 09:54 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 09:26 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:53 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:47 am If he is at all tradeable, I wish they would trade Pallante. if he is here, they will be tempted to put him in the rotation.

I’m the only Pallante guy here I think. I’ve seen several very well pitched games, so it’s not talent or potential that’s missing. The problem is what gets most pro athletes, consistency. He is currently our number five. That’s five innings of four run ball. On those days it’s solely up to the offense.

The number five game is a toss up anyway.

You just described a 7.20 ERA.

Of course some games will be better, even a gem or two. The point being. If your first four split at 2-2, number five is a tie breaker. Some days will be ugly.

Wanna see a rainbow gotta stand a little rain.

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 11:10 am No doubt

Toss in Fedde and it would be hard to believe you could field three worse starting pitchers.

(And if he's back, then Pallante can't be in the SR! The only way it happens is if BDWJr is too cheap to give C. Bloom some money to add a starting pitcher or two)

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 12:09 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 11:10 am No doubt

Toss in Fedde and it would be hard to believe you could field three worse starting pitchers.

(And if he's back, then Pallante can't be in the SR! The only way it happens is if BDWJr is too cheap to give C. Bloom some money to add a starting pitcher or two)

First yes I do believe they will put him in the rotation. They are not going to spend a lot of money and they need innings. Plus, he was a lot better prior to 2025 so who knows maybe he rebounds. As a rebuilding team why worry?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 12:21 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 12:09 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 11:10 am No doubt

Toss in Fedde and it would be hard to believe you could field three worse starting pitchers.

(And if he's back, then Pallante can't be in the SR! The only way it happens is if BDWJr is too cheap to give C. Bloom some money to add a starting pitcher or two)

First yes I do believe they will put him in the rotation. They are not going to spend a lot of money and they need innings. Plus, he was a lot better prior to 2025 so who knows maybe he rebounds. As a rebuilding team why worry?

He's only a "last resort" starter AZC.

If Bloom can deal NADO and/or Gray or WillyC, then I could see BDWJr letting him use any savings for player additions.

Won't be a lot of money since Dewitt will have to eat large sums of NADO and Gray's deal just to get a decent return but could be enough for Bloom to find an upgrade over the pitiful Pallante.

What he did in 2024 may have just been the league not seeing him as a starter.

Once they had a book on him, he was one of the worst starters in MLB last season.

I don't see him improving.

And no worry, just don't want to see that slug starting.

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 12:07 pm

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

Yes, STL pitching is poor. STL is a pitchers park and the team was 21st in ERA. They need an infusion of talent. Not just two guys. Problem is there are only three potential sources.

Farm system - there are a few guys but not enough to overhaul the starters and pen. Using the very best they have and development be darned they are still below average. And they ruin some young arms that might become something better.

Free Agency - they are not going to spend large this year. And sadly they would need to add at least 3-5 above average arms to think about competing with the playoff teams. The cost to do that is north of $80 mil a year. Never mind the missing offense.

International - the days when a great player could be found and signed for a song are over. That channel is closed since all the teams now scout everywhere.

STL will not have a good pitching staff in 2026. Hopefully there will be some pleasant surprises come from the farm to build on. And hopefully the same happens on the offensive side.

As for Mikolas he is a free agent and no way he returns to STL. Pallante was a mystery last year. He pitched much better prior to 2025. Perhaps he played thru something or whatever. In either case it hurts his expected ARB cost and I suspect he is already inked in the rotation for 2025 to see if 2025 was an aberration.

Melville wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 11:52 am

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

Doing better than Pallante and Mikolas should not be difficult.
How is your fastball and do you throw a breaking ball?
You just might be a step up

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 13:08 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 12:21 pm

AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 12:09 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 11:10 am No doubt

Toss in Fedde and it would be hard to believe you could field three worse starting pitchers.

(And if he's back, then Pallante can't be in the SR! The only way it happens is if BDWJr is too cheap to give C. Bloom some money to add a starting pitcher or two)

First yes I do believe they will put him in the rotation. They are not going to spend a lot of money and they need innings. Plus, he was a lot better prior to 2025 so who knows maybe he rebounds. As a rebuilding team why worry?

He's only a "last resort" starter AZC.

If Bloom can deal NADO and/or Gray or WillyC, then I could see BDWJr letting him use any savings for player additions.

Won't be a lot of money since Dewitt will have to eat large sums of NADO and Gray's deal just to get a decent return but could be enough for Bloom to find an upgrade over the pitiful Pallante.

What he did in 2024 may have just been the league not seeing him as a starter.

Once they had a book on him, he was one of the worst starters in MLB last season.

I don't see him improving.

And no worry, just don't want to see that slug starting.

I'm not advocating for him. Just saying - this is going to be a year where some players who don't belong in their roles keep them. And yeah I HOPE we sign some pitchers that are still standing when the free agency money song ends. Find a diamond in the rough for cheap and flip him at the AS break.

Some other members here are still trying to figure out a roster that competes. They are going to be disappointed IMO.

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:40 am

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

Neither Walker or Scott should be in STL come April. Walker should be in AAA (ops+ 24: 72, ops+ 25: 66) until his bat suggests otherwise and Scott's smaller sample size shows him to be even worse at the plate. Ops+ last yr: 72. This yr: 41.

He might have defense going for him but until/unless he can show an improved approach against mlb pitching, at the plate he's becoming a decent-hitting pitcher, at best.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:19 am

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

I’m keeping Scott whether he hits or not. Defense particularly up the middle defense is way too valuable. You accurately mentioned no K’s and too much pitchgo get it. to contact; why then get rid of Scott who can do just that-