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Scouty may have had a point on item #1.WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 21:15 pmVividly remember him arguing with the whole board on #1. Might try to dig up that thread tomorrow from my computer. Too much effort on mobile right now.
Marion would have won quite a few and Durocher would have won one or two had there been a Gold Glove Award in the 1930s and 1940s.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 20:19 pm ESPN: "Winn is the youngest Cardinals player to win a Gold Glove Award, per the Elias Sports Bureau, and the fourth Cards shortstop to win the honor (also Edgar Renteria in 2002 and ’03, Ozzie Smith from 1982-92 and Dal Maxvill in 1968)."
Marion led NL shortstops in TZ four times in his career (+127 overall as a Cardinal), so that’s certainly plausible. Durocher, however, seems less likely (at least if we’re talking about deservedly winning)—during his time in StL, he posted a cumulative -10 TZ. 1935 would have been his best shot (+6, his only positive year), but he finished a distant second to Billy Jurges (+20) among NL shortstops.nighthawk wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 06:07 amMarion would have won quite a few and Durocher would have won one or two had there been a Gold Glove Award in the 1930s and 1940s.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 20:19 pm ESPN: "Winn is the youngest Cardinals player to win a Gold Glove Award, per the Elias Sports Bureau, and the fourth Cards shortstop to win the honor (also Edgar Renteria in 2002 and ’03, Ozzie Smith from 1982-92 and Dal Maxvill in 1968)."
Agree.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 08:26 am Nice!! I figured they'd give it to Betts. Good for Masyn!! He definitely deserves it. One of the bright spots of last year was watching him play shortstop.
Beat out K. Reitz!NYCardsFan wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 20:19 pm ESPN: "Winn is the youngest Cardinals player to win a Gold Glove Award, per the Elias Sports Bureau, and the fourth Cards shortstop to win the honor (also Edgar Renteria in 2002 and ’03, Ozzie Smith from 1982-92 and Dal Maxvill in 1968)."
He was.OldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 08:29 amAgree.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 08:26 am Nice!! I figured they'd give it to Betts. Good for Masyn!! He definitely deserves it. One of the bright spots of last year was watching him play shortstop.
CF: Pete Crow-Armstrong — Chicago Cubs, was he better than Victor Scott II?
Yes OROldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 08:29 amAgree.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 08:26 am Nice!! I figured they'd give it to Betts. Good for Masyn!! He definitely deserves it. One of the bright spots of last year was watching him play shortstop.
CF: Pete Crow-Armstrong — Chicago Cubs, was he better than Victor Scott II?
I never saw him play, didn’t they refer to him as “Mr Shortstop?” I know my dad did.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 06:56 amMarion led NL shortstops in TZ four times in his career (+127 overall as a Cardinal), so that’s certainly plausible. Durocher, however, seems less likely (at least if we’re talking about deservedly winning)—during his time in StL, he posted a cumulative -10 TZ. 1935 would have been his best shot (+6, his only positive year), but he finished a distant second to Billy Jurges (+20) among NL shortstops.nighthawk wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 06:07 amMarion would have won quite a few and Durocher would have won one or two had there been a Gold Glove Award in the 1930s and 1940s.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 20:19 pm ESPN: "Winn is the youngest Cardinals player to win a Gold Glove Award, per the Elias Sports Bureau, and the fourth Cards shortstop to win the honor (also Edgar Renteria in 2002 and ’03, Ozzie Smith from 1982-92 and Dal Maxvill in 1968)."
This is the play I remember: Jumping for a ball 20 feet over the wall.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 08:39 amHe was.OldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 08:29 amAgree.Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 08:26 am Nice!! I figured they'd give it to Betts. Good for Masyn!! He definitely deserves it. One of the bright spots of last year was watching him play shortstop.
CF: Pete Crow-Armstrong — Chicago Cubs, was he better than Victor Scott II?
IP/DRS/OAA/FRV
PCA: 1,357/15/21/21
Scott: 1,087.2/12/16/11