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Hard pass. Old and washed up..and a nasty Me First SOB. Don't need the likes of him spoiling our fetid punch any further.

Yes….he’s old and washed up……

has Cards written all over him…..and there must be some personal stat he can chase…

It’s kismet…

I don't hate it.

If Gray's gone, we probably do need a designated old fart to be there for what will probably be a pretty young and very inexperienced rotation.

Given that we aren't going to spend big bucks for someone younger and better...who better than Max? Dude's trophy cases probably have trophy cases. And he's clearly still got the bulldog attitude.

Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

I don't know, Maybe somebody would realize he's good for only 80 innings a year, and he's on the wrong end of 40. Maybe somebody would realize a team wants Gray for 30million more than they want Scherzer and half a season for 13million.

That's a Big Deal

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this seems like a relevant topic for discussion.

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

LOL.....blunt but well said!
Scherzer to the Cards makes zero sense even if Gray is traded.

Cusecards wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:48 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

LOL.....blunt but well said!
Scherzer to the Cards makes zero sense even if Gray is traded.

Yeah don't mean to be but some of these topics.

Scherzer is used to the spotlight that isn't going to happen here.

Cusecards wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:48 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

LOL.....blunt but well said!
Scherzer to the Cards makes zero sense even if Gray is traded.

But isn't it worth discussing? Since the Cardinals' starting rotation, obviously, needs help.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:51 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:48 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

LOL.....blunt but well said!
Scherzer to the Cards makes zero sense even if Gray is traded.

Yeah don't mean to be but some of these topics.

Scherzer is used to the spotlight that isn't going to happen here.

I enjoy Hot Stove talk and we get a lot of great discussion.
But.....some of this stuff is puzzling.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

"He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes". On the other hand, maybe that's a reason to finish out his career with his hometown team. Just a thought.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:52 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:44 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:40 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:36 pm

11WSChamps wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 18:32 pm Frankly I don't know how people who supposedly pay attention to the game come up with a topic like this.

I don't know. Maybe somebody that follows the game would realize Scherzer started the 7th game of the World Series. That's a pretty big deal. IMO

Thanks for proving my point.

Please elaborate. Thanks. Also, could he improve the Cardinals starting pitching in '26? Since he's a FA, this is a relevant topic for discussion?

He's not going to play for a rebuild.

He's got enough money for 100 lifetimes. He wants to play for a contender.

Well, if he stays in STL, it might give him a good chance to play for a contender.

Sign Max, and put in the contract that if he wants to be traded at the DL, the org must fulfill his wish and he has full veto power.

Yeah and if has yet another injury which certainly will occur the team is out salary which apparently they can ill afford to lose. Thus him not having any trade value at the deadline.