Trade Gorman or not

[craviduce]

Few players are considered “untouchable”.
Most trades result from the proposed return.
Not the result of wanting to get rid of someone.
I like Saggese but I think some are over valuing him at the moment.
Probably a versatile backup?

"Some?"

only two people are overvaluing him, and that's solely based off his AA stats in 2023. They ignore his major league stats the next two seasons.

He very well could hit better than last year, I hope he does...but it's reckless to assume he's batting .275 with 12 HR because of 2023 minor league stats. And my use of "reckless" is extremely kind.

[Cusecards]

Few players are considered “untouchable”.
Most trades result from the proposed return.
Not the result of wanting to get rid of someone.
I like Saggese but I think some are over valuing him at the moment.
Probably a versatile backup?

"Some?"

only two people are overvaluing him, and that's solely based off his AA stats in 2023. They ignore his major league stats the next two seasons.

He very well could hit better than last year, I hope he does...but it's reckless to assume he's batting .275 with 12 HR because of 2023 minor league stats. And my use of "reckless" is extremely kind.

Ok

[Cusecards]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

yes - Hurdy Gurdy needs to go!

He's Bloom's best chip.

There were even some local reports the Dodgers called about him mid season, Yankees too.

Sooooo glad Mo didn't make the trade and kept him for Bloom to deal.

He's got a strong trade market and is about to make some real money that goes against BDWJr's desire to slash payroll.

My bet is he goes.

You can't believe contending teams inquired about Gorman. What would he do for LA ? Batboy? Gorman has no value to team trying to win. He is a five tool dud. He is not good at any baseball related skill. We can only hope he goes.

+1 he’s a one tool player who doesn’t hit well enough to make that one tool useful

+2
When he is hitting effectively he drives pitches away to the opposite field.
He has the raw power to do so.
Unfortunately he always reverts to his bad habits and lack of plate discipline which results in flailing and becoming pull happy.
This is accompanied by the perpetual “deer in the headlights” look while walking back to the dugout.
I think the majority of CT could point this out during daily film study.
Conclusion?
I don’t think he’s very bright?

[Adam2]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Trading Arenado, Donovan and Gorman only makes sense if Bloom feels both Wetherholt and Saggese are ready at 2B and 3B. Unless Bloom can get a power bat for 3B by trade or FA.

Saggesse is not an everyday player

[sikeston bulldog2]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Trading Arenado, Donovan and Gorman only makes sense if Bloom feels both Wetherholt and Saggese are ready at 2B and 3B. Unless Bloom can get a power bat for 3B by trade or FA.

Saggesse is not an everyday player

Thinking Saggese is a starter is an example of how far we have fallen.

[mattmitchl44]

I wouldn't trade Gorman just to trade him.

He's coming off his worst ML season, so his current trade value might be at an all-time low.

If some team offers a surprisingly good return for him, then you consider dealing him. Otherwise, they are probably better off giving him an opportunity to start at 3B and see if he can get back to his 2023 form.

If he doesn't bounce back, you haven't lost much because you weren't getting anything of value for him now anyway.

[Bomber1]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Trading Arenado, Donovan and Gorman only makes sense if Bloom feels both Wetherholt and Saggese are ready at 2B and 3B. Unless Bloom can get a power bat for 3B by trade or FA.

Saggesse is not an everyday player

Thinking Saggese is a starter is an example of how far we have fallen.

That’s true, and besides Saggese the same can be said for Gorman, Nootbaar, and Walker.

[Adam2]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Trading Arenado, Donovan and Gorman only makes sense if Bloom feels both Wetherholt and Saggese are ready at 2B and 3B. Unless Bloom can get a power bat for 3B by trade or FA.

Saggesse is not an everyday player

Thinking Saggese is a starter is an example of how far we have fallen.

agreed. He is a fine Greg Garcia, Yairo Munoz type. Nothing more

[rockondlouie]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Saggesse

[ecleme22]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Am I reading this right?

You think Bloom’s rationale to trade NG, BD or AB is partially motivated by an injured/underachieving player (Noot) still being on the roster?

That is the dumbest take.

[ramfandan]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

yes - Hurdy Gurdy needs to go!

He's Bloom's best chip.

There were even some local reports the Dodgers called about him mid season, Yankees too.

Sooooo glad Mo didn't make the trade and kept him for Bloom to deal.

He's got a strong trade market and is about to make some real money that goes against BDWJr's desire to slash payroll.

My bet is he goes.

You can't believe contending teams inquired about Gorman. What would he do for LA ? Batboy? Gorman has no value to team trying to win. He is a five tool dud. He is not good at any baseball related skill. We can only hope he goes.

+1 he’s a one tool player who doesn’t hit well enough to make that one tool useful

+2
When he is hitting effectively he drives pitches away to the opposite field.
He has the raw power to do so.
Unfortunately he always reverts to his bad habits and lack of plate discipline which results in flailing and becoming pull happy.
This is accompanied by the perpetual “deer in the headlights” look while walking back to the dugout.
I think the majority of CT could point this out during daily film study.
Conclusion?
I don’t think he’s very bright?

You pose an interesting question. Being an avid bowler back in the day, I remember a pro bowler once saying 150 avg. in bowling was 50% physical and maybe 50% mental. However, a pro bowler with 200+ average was 80% mental and 20% physical.
Thr very high avg. bowler has to adjust to the lane conditions oily ? Dry? Break point of ball to pocket etc.
Jack Nicklaus was great due to top mental game. Same with Tiger Woods.. strategy , reading greens for putting.
Sure helps in baseball too. You don’t need to be a Rhodes scholar but the term used is heady’. Adjusting at the plate you do with your head not your body. Facing the best pitchers in thr world is not easy. You can be very good in minors on good physical skills alone but at best level majors, you better be good above the neck too.

Whether it’s Gorman, Walker all these guys were tremendous at baseball as a kid . their pure athletic ability made them dominating. The higher they go in baseball the more difficult it gets.

Big league coaches analyze your strengths and weaknesses. Big league pitchers exploit your weaknesses . You have to adjust. Gorman has not thus far. Will he ever ?

[2ninr]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Saggesse

Poke the bear

[rockondlouie]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Saggesse

Poke the bear

[timoevans]

No one will take Nolan A so we are stuck with him and his salary. Nolan G, Walker and Noot need to go as they will never above 240? There is a lot of work to be done if we get back to the top. Will they spend any money? If they don't how can they expect the fans to pay out good money?

[Rojo Johnson]

With Noot's trade value at it's all time low due to the surgery.

Bloom's going to have to move at least one (or two) of the other left handed bats and wait for Noot to re-hab his trade value hopefully by midseason.

That makes Norman, Donny and Burleson the likely players to get dealt.

Bloom likes players w/Bumbles hitting profile so doubt he'd go (unless a team really wants him and offers something strong).

Norman wouldn't fetch much straight up, perhaps if bundled w/?????

It's been my opinion Donny is Bloom's best trade chip and would bring back a near major league ready prospect or even a #3/4 major league starting pitcher w/control.

Trading Arenado, Donovan and Gorman only makes sense if Bloom feels both Wetherholt and Saggese are ready at 2B and 3B. Unless Bloom can get a power bat for 3B by trade or FA.

Saggesse is not an everyday player

Thinking Saggese is a starter is an example of how far we have fallen.

Dawg: that thought pattern belongs to Shady. That’s not an example of how far we’ve fallen, that’s an example of what a maroon that dude is. Don’t tar the rest of us with the brush that is reserved exclusively for that stinky fella.

[Hazelwood72]

I would think Nado is who they want to trade the most due to his contract. If Bloom is able to get that done then Gorman is the starting 3B.

2nd player they would like to trade is Donovan. He probably brings the most back in a trade. Whether that’s a prospect for the future or pitching that can pitch now or a combination of both.

If Nado and or Donovan aren’t moved then maybe Gorman is traded.

Noot not much trade value.

Burly is our best hitting OF and is cheap so it would be difficult to justify trading him.

Jmo, it will be an interesting off season.

An “interesting” offseason.

Yeah, I did a lot of failure analysis and forensics in my career, investigating chem plant and refinery explosions. Those were also interesting from a techno geek standpoint.

I think the Cards 2026 season will be a similar disaster, ripe for much failure analysis. It will be verrrrry interesting.