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OldRed wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 18:53 pm

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 11:49 am

OldRed wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 11:20 am Hall of Fame?

Freeman:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... fr01.shtml

Gil Hodges:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... gi01.shtml

Jesus, how old are you? Gil Hodges of all people comes to mind in comparison?? The guy has been dead for well over 50 freaking years.

By that, I guess I'm older than you.

I mean, the last productive season from Gil Hodges was 1959. If you have memory of seeing this guy play, you have to be ancient.

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 16:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:43 pm Yes.

Gil Hodges faced electricians and plumbers. I'm surprised this is even a thread

Yes, but how does Freeman compare to Del Ennis?

LOL I was thinking how does Freeman compare to Eddie Gaedel, shortest player in MLB history at 3 ft. 7 in. Sure Old red knows him .
Gaedel got on base every at bat in his career . (walked on 4 pitches and replaced for pinch runner ) Only plate appearance but 100% successful reaching base. Freeman can't match that

PS I was 3 years old when Gaedel played. Remember in Kindergarten (age 5) my father talking about Eddie's debut. Gave hope to all of us little kids of playing in the majors too someday

ramfandan wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 10:15 am

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 16:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:43 pm Yes.

Gil Hodges faced electricians and plumbers. I'm surprised this is even a thread

Yes, but how does Freeman compare to Del Ennis?

LOL I was thinking how does Freeman compare to Eddie Gaedel, shortest player in MLB history at 3 ft. 7 in. Sure Old red knows him .
Gaedel got on base every at bat in his career . (walked on 4 pitches and replaced for pinch runner ) Only plate appearance but 100% successful reaching base. Freeman can't match that

PS I was 3 years old when Gaedel played. Remember in Kindergarten (age 5) my father talking about Eddie's debut. Gave hope to all of us little kids of playing in the majors too someday

I was minus 3 when Eddie Gaedel made that appearance. The Brownies moved to Baltimore when I was minus 1 so I never saw them.

And hey, Dan, and everyone else:

When Eddie Gaedel made that appearance, whose uniform did he borrow???

Goldfan wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 19:04 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:39 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 11:48 am Yes, both of these:

Freeman
367 HR
1322 RBI
2431 Hits
.300 .386 .511 .897
9 time all star
MVP (seven top 10 finishes)
1 Gold Glove
3 Silver Sluggers
64.8 fWAR
141 wRC+

Goldy
372 HR
1232 RBI
2190 Hits
.288 .378 .504 .882
7 time all star
MVP (six top 10 finishes)
4 Gold Gloves
5 Silver Sluggers
57.3 fWAR
142 wRC+

Freddie gets in the Hall before Goldy but both (IMO) get in.

Yes on Freeman, and he’s headed towards 1st ballot enshrinement. 2 years left on his contract so should be over 400 HR and 2700 hits at that point with multiple titles.

I think Goldschmidt is out of gas and comes up short.

Agreed. Freeman still has hits and HR in that bat. If he sticks with LA perhaps more WS lure…..
As we were able to watch Goldy closely here…..He’s not in Freeman’s class. He would go weeks in an ice cold slump when the team needed him and his leadership/PS qualities falls short of Freeman.

100% agree with you, Goldy.

Freeman has the numbers PLUS he’s been HUGE in the postseason.

Your namesake has the numbers, but shrinks in the spotlight.

Goldschmidt may eventually get in the HOF if the voters look at numbers, but I’d say it’s no better than 50/50.

Cheers,
HW72

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 16:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:43 pm Yes.

Gil Hodges faced electricians and plumbers. I'm surprised this is even a thread

Yes, but how does Freeman compare to Del Ennis?

Actually, I’m partial to Norm Larker, who lost his position to that dillweed Ron Fairly. My Norm Larker model first baseman’s mitt was gold for me.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 10:25 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 19:04 pm

An Old Friend wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:39 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 11:48 am Yes, both of these:

Freeman
367 HR
1322 RBI
2431 Hits
.300 .386 .511 .897
9 time all star
MVP (seven top 10 finishes)
1 Gold Glove
3 Silver Sluggers
64.8 fWAR
141 wRC+

Goldy
372 HR
1232 RBI
2190 Hits
.288 .378 .504 .882
7 time all star
MVP (six top 10 finishes)
4 Gold Gloves
5 Silver Sluggers
57.3 fWAR
142 wRC+

Freddie gets in the Hall before Goldy but both (IMO) get in.

Yes on Freeman, and he’s headed towards 1st ballot enshrinement. 2 years left on his contract so should be over 400 HR and 2700 hits at that point with multiple titles.

I think Goldschmidt is out of gas and comes up short.

Agreed. Freeman still has hits and HR in that bat. If he sticks with LA perhaps more WS lure…..
As we were able to watch Goldy closely here…..He’s not in Freeman’s class. He would go weeks in an ice cold slump when the team needed him and his leadership/PS qualities falls short of Freeman.

100% agree with you, Goldy.

Freeman has the numbers PLUS he’s been HUGE in the postseason.

Your namesake has the numbers, but shrinks in the spotlight.

Goldschmidt may eventually get in the HOF if the voters look at numbers, but I’d say it’s no better than 50/50.

Cheers,
HW72

Even in Goldys MVP year he basically quit hitting in Sept and when the playoffs arrived he was like a fella they brought out of the jungle somewhere and gave a bat to. Never forget……the ball bounced in front of the plate and he swung at it Striking out with men on base….

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:43 pm Yes.

Gil Hodges faced electricians and plumbers. I'm surprised this is even a thread

Williams and Musial did too. So what are you saying?

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 10:21 am I was minus 3 when Eddie Gaedel made that appearance. The Brownies moved to Baltimore when I was minus 1 so I never saw them.

And hey, Dan, and everyone else:

When Eddie Gaedel made that appearance, whose uniform did he borrow???

Way before my time Hawk' but I know it was BDWJr's

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 10:37 am

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 16:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:43 pm Yes.

Gil Hodges faced electricians and plumbers. I'm surprised this is even a thread

Yes, but how does Freeman compare to Del Ennis?

Actually, I’m partial to Norm Larker, who lost his position to that dillweed Ron Fairly. My Norm Larker model first baseman’s mitt was gold for me.

I'm just glad there was a time in our history where Norm Larker's were in the majors. More Larker's and less Kike Hernandez's please.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 10:21 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 10:15 am

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 16:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:43 pm Yes.

Gil Hodges faced electricians and plumbers. I'm surprised this is even a thread

Yes, but how does Freeman compare to Del Ennis?

LOL I was thinking how does Freeman compare to Eddie Gaedel, shortest player in MLB history at 3 ft. 7 in. Sure Old red knows him .
Gaedel got on base every at bat in his career . (walked on 4 pitches and replaced for pinch runner ) Only plate appearance but 100% successful reaching base. Freeman can't match that

PS I was 3 years old when Gaedel played. Remember in Kindergarten (age 5) my father talking about Eddie's debut. Gave hope to all of us little kids of playing in the majors too someday

I was minus 3 when Eddie Gaedel made that appearance. The Brownies moved to Baltimore when I was minus 1 so I never saw them.

And hey, Dan, and everyone else:

When Eddie Gaedel made that appearance, whose uniform did he borrow???

Eddie borrowed the uniform of the bat boy .. 9 year old Bill DeWitt Jr.

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 12:34 pm

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 10:37 am

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 16:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:43 pm Yes.

Gil Hodges faced electricians and plumbers. I'm surprised this is even a thread

Yes, but how does Freeman compare to Del Ennis?

Actually, I’m partial to Norm Larker, who lost his position to that dillweed Ron Fairly. My Norm Larker model first baseman’s mitt was gold for me.

I'm just glad there was a time in our history where Norm Larker's were in the majors. More Larker's and less Kike Hernandez's please.

Baseball would be even more enjoyable if every team had a Kike Hernandez.

makesnosense wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 12:45 pm

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 12:34 pm

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑29 Oct 2025 10:37 am

ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 16:40 pm

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:43 pm Yes.

Gil Hodges faced electricians and plumbers. I'm surprised this is even a thread

Yes, but how does Freeman compare to Del Ennis?

Actually, I’m partial to Norm Larker, who lost his position to that dillweed Ron Fairly. My Norm Larker model first baseman’s mitt was gold for me.

I'm just glad there was a time in our history where Norm Larker's were in the majors. More Larker's and less Kike Hernandez's please.

Baseball would be even more enjoyable if every team had a Kike Hernandez.

Well Cardinals had Keith Hernandez that name is pretty close !

OldRed wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 11:20 am Hall of Fame?

Freeman:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... fr01.shtml

Gil Hodges:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... gi01.shtml

Of course. He’s a lock

Adam2 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:43 pm Yes.

Gil Hodges faced electricians and plumbers. I'm surprised this is even a thread

Yah because they had to work a second job in the off-season.

Hall of Fame Statistics

Freddie:

JAWS
First Base (19th):
Freddie 64.2 career WAR | 39.5 7yr-peak WAR | 51.9 JAWS | 4.8 WAR/162
Average HOF 1B (out of 25):
65.0 career WAR | 42.0 7yr-peak WAR | 53.5 JAWS | 4.8 WAR/162

Similar batters:
#1 Joey Votto (925.0)
#2 Paul Goldschmidt (918.6)




Goldy:

JAWS
First Base (15th):
Goldy 63.8 career WAR | 45.0 7yr-peak WAR | 54.4 JAWS | 5.0 WAR/162
Average HOF 1B (out of 25):
65.0 career WAR | 42.0 7yr-peak WAR | 53.5 JAWS | 4.8 WAR/162

Similar batters:
#1 Joey Votto (948.6)
#2 Derrek Lee (920.2)
#3 Freddie Freeman (918.6)

russellhammond wrote: ↑28 Oct 2025 14:22 pm He's going to end his career with 3,000 hits....no brainer.

^this

to go with 400 HRs, and MVP, 8 top-10 MVP finishes, could end as a top-10 all time doubles hitter, 2x world champion and working on a 3rd.