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If $$$ wee comparable , would you pick Southern California sunny weather year round ocean location , , outdoor pool usable 12 months per year OR would you prefer St. Louis ?
And pay California taxes? If dollars were equal I'd take Florida or Texas with no state income tax but dollars aren't usually equal.
Got to also factor in those areas might not offer a Japanese player the same endorsement opportunities and lets not forget playoffs and WS chances. Nothing in Florida with playoff aspirations every year.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 12:58 pmAnd pay California taxes? If dollars were equal I'd take Florida or Texas with no state income tax but dollars aren't usually equal.
What claim did the team make? From everything I read they were willing to be in on him at 200 million but once it went higher they dipped out only an idiot would think Nootbaar could convince someone to take about 150 million less to sign with St. Louis. Noot could get them to listen to St. Louis but he wasn’t going to be able to get them to sign for millions less it’s just a dumb take for taking shots at noot for that but that is how you operateMelville wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 12:53 pmThat claim was made by Moootbaar and the team.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 10:48 amThat’s a dumb take. Noot might be able to get them to consider St. Louis but with Dewitt keeping the wallet closed they were never going to sign for 5 or 10 million in St. Louis no matter how much they like noot
Not me.
A decade ago. Not now.45s wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 11:02 amIt’s funny that some think that those type players would sign with Stl at all…AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 10:57 am Funny how some people think it's just snap your fingers and you sign the guy who just threw one of the years best games. And he will ALWAYS do that for STL.
Of course signing him would mean STL missed the playoffs by only a game instead of where it finished. The laughs keep coming.
All good points. I'm probably dreaming but perhaps in 2027 the small and medium market franchise band together and get a serious MLB payroll cap. That would open things up for more teams to compete for good players - and for world series titles.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:07 pmGot to also factor in those areas might not offer a Japanese player the same endorsement opportunities and lets not forget playoffs and WS chances. Nothing in Florida with playoff aspirations every year.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 12:58 pmAnd pay California taxes? If dollars were equal I'd take Florida or Texas with no state income tax but dollars aren't usually equal.
Really the only competition for a guy like Yamamoto is San Diego or the Giants. Anyone else would need to outbid by a margin to make it all equal even with higher taxes. Well maybe NYY if they are willing to accept longer non-stops to Tokyo.
To begin with Nootbaar isn't a pitcher. And he's not really from Asia. He was born and raised in California. I did expect that from Mo. I've been outspoken about Imanaga going to the Cubs without even an offer from the Cards. Any time there's a top name star that's posted from Asia, the Cards never even attempt to get them. I would expect Bloom to do it but he's hog-tied by DeWitt. So here we are watching Asian stars win accolades around baseball. The one time they even really did anything was signing So Taguchi. He played okay and had some big hits for the Cards but he's not the caliber of Imanaga or Yamamoto.
We can hope. I suspect because of the competing issues and clans we don't see a hard cap. I think it ends up with a higher luxury tax cap and harsher penalties for going over plus a mandatory minimum. They could also cost draft picks for signing free agents at a certain price point. I don't know there are things they might get thru. I just don't see the have not teams having the clout to push the union and rich clubs into a hard cap.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:42 pmAll good points. I'm probably dreaming but perhaps in 2027 the small and medium market franchise band together and get a serious MLB payroll cap. That would open things up for more teams to compete for good players - and for world series titles.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:07 pmGot to also factor in those areas might not offer a Japanese player the same endorsement opportunities and lets not forget playoffs and WS chances. Nothing in Florida with playoff aspirations every year.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 12:58 pmAnd pay California taxes? If dollars were equal I'd take Florida or Texas with no state income tax but dollars aren't usually equal.
Really the only competition for a guy like Yamamoto is San Diego or the Giants. Anyone else would need to outbid by a margin to make it all equal even with higher taxes. Well maybe NYY if they are willing to accept longer non-stops to Tokyo.
couldn't pay me to live in Florida or TexasScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 12:58 pmAnd pay California taxes? If dollars were equal I'd take Florida or Texas with no state income tax but dollars aren't usually equal.
You want to expound on that?AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 15:42 pmWe can hope. I suspect because of the competing issues and clans we don't see a hard cap. I think it ends up with a higher luxury tax cap and harsher penalties for going over plus a mandatory minimum. They could also cost draft picks for signing free agents at a certain price point. I don't know there are things they might get thru. I just don't see the have not teams having the clout to push the union and rich clubs into a hard cap.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:42 pmAll good points. I'm probably dreaming but perhaps in 2027 the small and medium market franchise band together and get a serious MLB payroll cap. That would open things up for more teams to compete for good players - and for world series titles.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:07 pmGot to also factor in those areas might not offer a Japanese player the same endorsement opportunities and lets not forget playoffs and WS chances. Nothing in Florida with playoff aspirations every year.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 12:58 pmAnd pay California taxes? If dollars were equal I'd take Florida or Texas with no state income tax but dollars aren't usually equal.
Really the only competition for a guy like Yamamoto is San Diego or the Giants. Anyone else would need to outbid by a margin to make it all equal even with higher taxes. Well maybe NYY if they are willing to accept longer non-stops to Tokyo.
Unfortunately you are probably right but I think we are nearing a breaking point. Small market teams are essentially on welfare.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 15:42 pmWe can hope. I suspect because of the competing issues and clans we don't see a hard cap. I think it ends up with a higher luxury tax cap and harsher penalties for going over plus a mandatory minimum. They could also cost draft picks for signing free agents at a certain price point. I don't know there are things they might get thru. I just don't see the have not teams having the clout to push the union and rich clubs into a hard cap.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:42 pmAll good points. I'm probably dreaming but perhaps in 2027 the small and medium market franchise band together and get a serious MLB payroll cap. That would open things up for more teams to compete for good players - and for world series titles.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:07 pmGot to also factor in those areas might not offer a Japanese player the same endorsement opportunities and lets not forget playoffs and WS chances. Nothing in Florida with playoff aspirations every year.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 12:58 pmAnd pay California taxes? If dollars were equal I'd take Florida or Texas with no state income tax but dollars aren't usually equal.
Really the only competition for a guy like Yamamoto is San Diego or the Giants. Anyone else would need to outbid by a margin to make it all equal even with higher taxes. Well maybe NYY if they are willing to accept longer non-stops to Tokyo.
What part? Why?2ninr wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:06 pmYou want to expound on that?AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 15:42 pmWe can hope. I suspect because of the competing issues and clans we don't see a hard cap. I think it ends up with a higher luxury tax cap and harsher penalties for going over plus a mandatory minimum. They could also cost draft picks for signing free agents at a certain price point. I don't know there are things they might get thru. I just don't see the have not teams having the clout to push the union and rich clubs into a hard cap.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:42 pmAll good points. I'm probably dreaming but perhaps in 2027 the small and medium market franchise band together and get a serious MLB payroll cap. That would open things up for more teams to compete for good players - and for world series titles.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:07 pmGot to also factor in those areas might not offer a Japanese player the same endorsement opportunities and lets not forget playoffs and WS chances. Nothing in Florida with playoff aspirations every year.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 12:58 pmAnd pay California taxes? If dollars were equal I'd take Florida or Texas with no state income tax but dollars aren't usually equal.
Really the only competition for a guy like Yamamoto is San Diego or the Giants. Anyone else would need to outbid by a margin to make it all equal even with higher taxes. Well maybe NYY if they are willing to accept longer non-stops to Tokyo.
I can't speak for AZ but I'll render my opinion. It used to be a team signing a type A free agent - similar to today's qualifying offer free agent - was they lost their first round pick and the team that lost the free agent got your first round pick. Now that has changed and penalty and compensation are not as significant. They also put limits on how much teams can spend in the draft and international signings. That was done because the Pirates were spending more than any other team on draft picks and international signings while maintaining a low payroll.2ninr wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 16:06 pmYou want to expound on that?AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 15:42 pmWe can hope. I suspect because of the competing issues and clans we don't see a hard cap. I think it ends up with a higher luxury tax cap and harsher penalties for going over plus a mandatory minimum. They could also cost draft picks for signing free agents at a certain price point. I don't know there are things they might get thru. I just don't see the have not teams having the clout to push the union and rich clubs into a hard cap.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:42 pmAll good points. I'm probably dreaming but perhaps in 2027 the small and medium market franchise band together and get a serious MLB payroll cap. That would open things up for more teams to compete for good players - and for world series titles.AZ_Cardsfan wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 13:07 pmGot to also factor in those areas might not offer a Japanese player the same endorsement opportunities and lets not forget playoffs and WS chances. Nothing in Florida with playoff aspirations every year.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Oct 2025 12:58 pmAnd pay California taxes? If dollars were equal I'd take Florida or Texas with no state income tax but dollars aren't usually equal.
Really the only competition for a guy like Yamamoto is San Diego or the Giants. Anyone else would need to outbid by a margin to make it all equal even with higher taxes. Well maybe NYY if they are willing to accept longer non-stops to Tokyo.