Re: Humor Me - One Move they Make
Posted: 19 Oct 2025 18:56 pm
The single move to help thid team is to bring jn competent ownership with a will to win.
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The single move to help thid team is to bring jn competent ownership with a will to win.
I’ll go with this for the big-move scenario. Not saying I want it because he’s solid but he would bring the best return. If they choose wisely on the return, that is. Which is the concerning part.1_12_1968 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:25 amDonny is a keeper but his career timing is not in sync with a World Series run and that makes him expendableGoldfan wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:10 amIf they’re not going to play to win why does it matter? There is no one on this team who is a no doubt keeper……so trade most of the team and maybe you get lucky with a sleeper return.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 07:30 am IMO the Cardinals won't do much, this will be let's see what we have and develop the minor leaguers we currently have and have coming in.
With that said, what one move will they make in your opinion. I would think most of us would agree they will prune the current roster somehow, someway.
Is it at the catching position with all the depth and active players who have value?
Arb guys who are going to cost a lot more but who control
High priced FA that needs to take a hike to free up cash flow and open up a spot for eval and opportunity.
I'm stuck between moving on from a catcher, Pages or Pozo (maybe Crooks) or Nootbaar. He had his chance, has limited control and is now aging out. He has some value being able to play all 3 outfield positions, lefty and when right can draw a ton of walks and hit for a little power. Maybe unrefined bullpen arm?
Anyway just curious what foresee happening if only one move was to occur, or if you want, the highest probability of <N> move happening.
Yeah, I'm waiting to see indicators of how much independence Bloom has, too. If it looks like the same ol' FO, we'll know.Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 14:08 pm Obviously, Bloom will trade Nootbaar. That shouldn't even count.
Then he needs to move either Arenado or Gorman. That also shouldn't count. It's malpractice he doesn't.
Donovan and Gray are the real indicators. If this team is serious about rebuilding this roster, those guys should both be traded. If, however, BDW continues to dream of 80ish wins and a WC game (which I think is the case), Bloom won't be allowed to get rid of them.
Let's put it this way: if Mo were still in charge, it's easy to imagine how this winter would go. Mo would trade Noot, then fix one big roster problem (this year, it has to be another starter), then start talking about how he likes the options we have for everything else. "Gotta see what we have in these young players...it's a make or break year for Players A, B, C..." etc. etc.
If this winter looks like that, we'll know Mo was never really the problem...and that Cardinal Nation is in for a long, long next 5-10 years.
Yes. He is the best pitcher you have. If he's on then he's an ace. That type of pitching is not easy to get.dugoutrex wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 15:54 pmand keep Sonny ?CCard wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:28 amThe single one move that the Cards could do to get better is to go out and sign the best free agent pitcher available. They won't of course because they're penny pinchers. But a dominant starter would make the rest of the pitching better.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 07:30 am IMO the Cardinals won't do much, this will be let's see what we have and develop the minor leaguers we currently have and have coming in.
With that said, what one move will they make in your opinion. I would think most of us would agree they will prune the current roster somehow, someway.
Is it at the catching position with all the depth and active players who have value?
Arb guys who are going to cost a lot more but who control
High priced FA that needs to take a hike to free up cash flow and open up a spot for eval and opportunity.
I'm stuck between moving on from a catcher, Pages or Pozo (maybe Crooks) or Nootbaar. He had his chance, has limited control and is now aging out. He has some value being able to play all 3 outfield positions, lefty and when right can draw a ton of walks and hit for a little power. Maybe unrefined bullpen arm?
Anyway just curious what foresee happening if only one move was to occur, or if you want, the highest probability of <N> move happening.
He's 36 and making 35 million. And he's coming off a season where he had only 14 quality starts.CCard wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025 09:09 amYes. He is the best pitcher you have. If he's on then he's an ace. That type of pitching is not easy to get.dugoutrex wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 15:54 pmand keep Sonny ?CCard wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:28 amThe single one move that the Cards could do to get better is to go out and sign the best free agent pitcher available. They won't of course because they're penny pinchers. But a dominant starter would make the rest of the pitching better.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 07:30 am IMO the Cardinals won't do much, this will be let's see what we have and develop the minor leaguers we currently have and have coming in.
With that said, what one move will they make in your opinion. I would think most of us would agree they will prune the current roster somehow, someway.
Is it at the catching position with all the depth and active players who have value?
Arb guys who are going to cost a lot more but who control
High priced FA that needs to take a hike to free up cash flow and open up a spot for eval and opportunity.
I'm stuck between moving on from a catcher, Pages or Pozo (maybe Crooks) or Nootbaar. He had his chance, has limited control and is now aging out. He has some value being able to play all 3 outfield positions, lefty and when right can draw a ton of walks and hit for a little power. Maybe unrefined bullpen arm?
Anyway just curious what foresee happening if only one move was to occur, or if you want, the highest probability of <N> move happening.
trouble is, same ownericon wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 22:29 pmYeah, I'm waiting to see indicators of how much independence Bloom has, too. If it looks like the same ol' FO, we'll know.Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 14:08 pm Obviously, Bloom will trade Nootbaar. That shouldn't even count.
Then he needs to move either Arenado or Gorman. That also shouldn't count. It's malpractice he doesn't.
Donovan and Gray are the real indicators. If this team is serious about rebuilding this roster, those guys should both be traded. If, however, BDW continues to dream of 80ish wins and a WC game (which I think is the case), Bloom won't be allowed to get rid of them.
Let's put it this way: if Mo were still in charge, it's easy to imagine how this winter would go. Mo would trade Noot, then fix one big roster problem (this year, it has to be another starter), then start talking about how he likes the options we have for everything else. "Gotta see what we have in these young players...it's a make or break year for Players A, B, C..." etc. etc.
If this winter looks like that, we'll know Mo was never really the problem...and that Cardinal Nation is in for a long, long next 5-10 years.
Who?CCard wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:28 amThe single one move that the Cards could do to get better is to go out and sign the best free agent pitcher available. They won't of course because they're penny pinchers. But a dominant starter would make the rest of the pitching better.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 07:30 am IMO the Cardinals won't do much, this will be let's see what we have and develop the minor leaguers we currently have and have coming in.
With that said, what one move will they make in your opinion. I would think most of us would agree they will prune the current roster somehow, someway.
Is it at the catching position with all the depth and active players who have value?
Arb guys who are going to cost a lot more but who control
High priced FA that needs to take a hike to free up cash flow and open up a spot for eval and opportunity.
I'm stuck between moving on from a catcher, Pages or Pozo (maybe Crooks) or Nootbaar. He had his chance, has limited control and is now aging out. He has some value being able to play all 3 outfield positions, lefty and when right can draw a ton of walks and hit for a little power. Maybe unrefined bullpen arm?
Anyway just curious what foresee happening if only one move was to occur, or if you want, the highest probability of <N> move happening.
I don't need to research it. I'm not employed by the Cards. They have a whole dept to research stuff like that. Cease has been really good at times so has Gallen. Are you telling me neither would fit nicely in the Cards rotation? Bieber is about to start in the ALCS and he's a free agent. Giolito, Kelly, Bassitt. There are a lot of upgrades out there. Pony up and put a decent product on the field.Adam2 wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025 13:13 pmWho?CCard wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:28 amThe single one move that the Cards could do to get better is to go out and sign the best free agent pitcher available. They won't of course because they're penny pinchers. But a dominant starter would make the rest of the pitching better.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 07:30 am IMO the Cardinals won't do much, this will be let's see what we have and develop the minor leaguers we currently have and have coming in.
With that said, what one move will they make in your opinion. I would think most of us would agree they will prune the current roster somehow, someway.
Is it at the catching position with all the depth and active players who have value?
Arb guys who are going to cost a lot more but who control
High priced FA that needs to take a hike to free up cash flow and open up a spot for eval and opportunity.
I'm stuck between moving on from a catcher, Pages or Pozo (maybe Crooks) or Nootbaar. He had his chance, has limited control and is now aging out. He has some value being able to play all 3 outfield positions, lefty and when right can draw a ton of walks and hit for a little power. Maybe unrefined bullpen arm?
Anyway just curious what foresee happening if only one move was to occur, or if you want, the highest probability of <N> move happening.
the list consists of Cease, Gallen, Valdez, then down to Merrill Kelly and Flaherty. for the money who is worth it? Weak weak weak class. you want 180 mil for the top of a (bleep) class? too easy to say "just sign the best free agent pitcher available". research is helpful
And replace him with what exactly? Just because he only had 14 QS in a season doesn't mean he won't have more in the next year. The very elite pitchers only topped out at 22 QS. While 14 is subpar it's not that far from the top. If he declines more then sure but you wouldn't get much for him then.Swuhgen wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025 09:44 amHe's 36 and making 35 million. And he's coming off a season where he had only 14 quality starts.CCard wrote: ↑20 Oct 2025 09:09 amYes. He is the best pitcher you have. If he's on then he's an ace. That type of pitching is not easy to get.dugoutrex wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 15:54 pmand keep Sonny ?CCard wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 08:28 amThe single one move that the Cards could do to get better is to go out and sign the best free agent pitcher available. They won't of course because they're penny pinchers. But a dominant starter would make the rest of the pitching better.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑19 Oct 2025 07:30 am IMO the Cardinals won't do much, this will be let's see what we have and develop the minor leaguers we currently have and have coming in.
With that said, what one move will they make in your opinion. I would think most of us would agree they will prune the current roster somehow, someway.
Is it at the catching position with all the depth and active players who have value?
Arb guys who are going to cost a lot more but who control
High priced FA that needs to take a hike to free up cash flow and open up a spot for eval and opportunity.
I'm stuck between moving on from a catcher, Pages or Pozo (maybe Crooks) or Nootbaar. He had his chance, has limited control and is now aging out. He has some value being able to play all 3 outfield positions, lefty and when right can draw a ton of walks and hit for a little power. Maybe unrefined bullpen arm?
Anyway just curious what foresee happening if only one move was to occur, or if you want, the highest probability of <N> move happening.
You have to try and unload him.