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Re: OT: Kershaw
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 18:28 pm
by Sheepdawg
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 17:17 pm
Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 10:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 09:01 am
The Cardinals broke Playoff C. Kershaw, he never got back the regular season aura that will make him a 1st ballot HofFer in five years.
Hiya Rocko!
I still occasionally replay that Big City Adams HR off Kershaw to make me feel better and forget the current pack of losers wearing the Birds on the Bat.
That said, Kershaw’s overall stats are fantastic and measure up really well against great pitchers like Koufax, Gibson, Seaver, et al. What’s really impressive is that Kershaw had the handicaps of smaller strike zone, lower mound, punishment for brushback pitches, and general promotion of hitting over pitching compared to the pitcher-friendly era of those guys.
So Kershaw is one of the all time greats.
I must admit that I haven’t looked up his postseason record vs. other teams. I know the Cards are his Kryptonite.
Kershaw’s postseason K/9 is higher than that of Koufax, Seaver, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez & Justin Verlander.
Out of that bunch who would pitch your Game 7 for all the marbles and the swizzle stick collection?
Re: OT: Kershaw
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 18:40 pm
by Quincy Varnish
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 18:28 pm
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 17:17 pm
Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 10:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 09:01 am
The Cardinals broke Playoff C. Kershaw, he never got back the regular season aura that will make him a 1st ballot HofFer in five years.
Hiya Rocko!
I still occasionally replay that Big City Adams HR off Kershaw to make me feel better and forget the current pack of losers wearing the Birds on the Bat.
That said, Kershaw’s overall stats are fantastic and measure up really well against great pitchers like Koufax, Gibson, Seaver, et al. What’s really impressive is that Kershaw had the handicaps of smaller strike zone, lower mound, punishment for brushback pitches, and general promotion of hitting over pitching compared to the pitcher-friendly era of those guys.
So Kershaw is one of the all time greats.
I must admit that I haven’t looked up his postseason record vs. other teams. I know the Cards are his Kryptonite.
Kershaw’s postseason K/9 is higher than that of Koufax, Seaver, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez & Justin Verlander.
Out of that bunch who would pitch your Game 7 for all the marbles and the swizzle stick collection?
I’d take prime Pedro over anyone… but based on postseason performance, Koufax.
Re: OT: Kershaw
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 19:16 pm
by hmoss859
Koufax or Gibson for game 7, flip a coin
Re: OT: Kershaw
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 22:12 pm
by Clubmaker2
LCA1951 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 10:33 am
Kershaw is toast. His appearing period was all about optics. His legacy will be tarnished if he continues. Retire
yet, for this year where he only managed 22 starts, he went 11-2, and his 2025 ERA and whip are both still lower than any cardinal 2025 starter...
Re: OT: Kershaw
Posted: 10 Oct 2025 04:02 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 22:12 pm
LCA1951 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 10:33 am
Kershaw is toast. His appearing period was all about optics. His legacy will be tarnished if he continues. Retire
yet, for this year where he only managed 22 starts, he went 11-2, and his 2025 ERA and whip are both still lower than any cardinal 2025 starter...
Man. That’s strong. Sadly shows just how far away we really are.
Re: OT: Kershaw
Posted: 10 Oct 2025 15:35 pm
by Hazelwood72
Sheepdawg wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 18:28 pm
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 17:17 pm
Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 10:01 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 09:01 am
The Cardinals broke Playoff C. Kershaw, he never got back the regular season aura that will make him a 1st ballot HofFer in five years.
Hiya Rocko!
I still occasionally replay that Big City Adams HR off Kershaw to make me feel better and forget the current pack of losers wearing the Birds on the Bat.
That said, Kershaw’s overall stats are fantastic and measure up really well against great pitchers like Koufax, Gibson, Seaver, et al. What’s really impressive is that Kershaw had the handicaps of smaller strike zone, lower mound, punishment for brushback pitches, and general promotion of hitting over pitching compared to the pitcher-friendly era of those guys.
So Kershaw is one of the all time greats.
I must admit that I haven’t looked up his postseason record vs. other teams. I know the Cards are his Kryptonite.
Kershaw’s postseason K/9 is higher than that of Koufax, Seaver, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez & Justin Verlander.
Out of that bunch who would pitch your Game 7 for all the marbles and the swizzle stick collection?
Wow. Tough — and good — question, Dawg. Main problem is that we are comparing pitchers from different eras where strike zones were different, brushback pitches were tolerated, etc.
Just visually in the way he utterly destroyed hitters when I watched him, I’d take Sandy Koufax. At his prime, I always thought he was a bit better than Gibby.
However, if Kershaw pitched with 1960’s rules, he might be right in the mix. Maybe Martinez as well.
I’d relegate Verlander and Randy Johnson to the next group downward, even though they’re clearly great as well.
Anyway, my opinion and $4.50 will get ya’ an overpriced Cup O’ Joe from $tarbuck$.
Re: OT: Kershaw
Posted: 10 Oct 2025 21:32 pm
by LCA1951
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2025 04:02 am
Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 22:12 pm
LCA1951 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 10:33 am
Kershaw is toast. His appearing period was all about optics. His legacy will be tarnished if he continues. Retire
yet, for this year where he only managed 22 starts, he went 11-2, and his 2025 ERA and whip are both still lower than any cardinal 2025 starter...
Man. That’s strong. Sadly shows just how far away we really are.
How many times did he pitch in the playoffs? left off? How effectively? That says that even they do not trust him and what he did do, although looks impressive, is a mirage. I think the Dodgers were sending him a message when they did pitch him, may be the last time. I don't know. He was do that respect.