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Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 06:06 am
by Talkin' Baseball
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
Disagree. This team needs an invasive procedure to regain health. An invasive procedure with an adequate recovery period- then a lifestyle change. Nothing sexy about that, but necessary for long-term health.
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 07:58 am
by 45s
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
why are you concerned how many attend each night??
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:04 am
by sikeston bulldog2
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 07:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
why are you concerned how many attend each night??
Speaking of ole miss, enjoy that feast known as Washington State. Then it’s at Georgia, at Oklahoma, home against tough SC.
That game at miss state ain’t no gimme.
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:06 am
by scoutyjones2
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 19:43 pm
Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 19:22 pm
Donavan and Gray will be the test of how serious this rebuild is. There is zero reason to keep those guys if you think you're not going to contend in the next couple of years.
If, on the other hand, you look at this past season and think "we were one winning series away from a WC spot," then you bring them back. And then you might as well re-sign Miles Mikolas. And have Mo come out of retirement to be GM.
This is too pessimistic with respect to the position players. Burleson finished 43rd in OPS. If Herrera would have had enough ABs to qualify, he would have finished 27th. Contreras finished 54th. Both Burleson and Herrera are young enough they can improve. Burleson will be 27 on opening day next year. If Wetherholdt is who we hope he will be, that would add another 800+ OPS hitter to the lineup. Add Donovan to that mix and hopefully a healthier Winn and you have 6 pretty decent guys. CF is a black hole, I assume Herrera will not catch and C is a black hole and RF is a black hole. They are really one 800+ OPS bat away in the OF from sporting a very decent line-up, albeit, no superstars.
The real issue is starting pitching. For certain unless they make some surprise trades for starters or surprise signings, they cannot contend with what they have. The minor league guys will not arrive until 2027 or 2028. The crop in the minors if they are willing to add 1 free agent SP that is a #1/2#2 and add a MOTO bat, then this team could contend in 2027 and for certain by 2028. You can't wait forever to contend. If you get a group of 5 or 6 starting players like those above, you need to add and go for it. If you trade them all away, you will be wasting the prime years of Wetherholdt, Herrera and Winn...
What about 3b?
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:08 am
by sikeston bulldog2
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:06 am
ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 19:43 pm
Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 19:22 pm
Donavan and Gray will be the test of how serious this rebuild is. There is zero reason to keep those guys if you think you're not going to contend in the next couple of years.
If, on the other hand, you look at this past season and think "we were one winning series away from a WC spot," then you bring them back. And then you might as well re-sign Miles Mikolas. And have Mo come out of retirement to be GM.
This is too pessimistic with respect to the position players. Burleson finished 43rd in OPS. If Herrera would have had enough ABs to qualify, he would have finished 27th. Contreras finished 54th. Both Burleson and Herrera are young enough they can improve. Burleson will be 27 on opening day next year. If Wetherholdt is who we hope he will be, that would add another 800+ OPS hitter to the lineup. Add Donovan to that mix and hopefully a healthier Winn and you have 6 pretty decent guys. CF is a black hole, I assume Herrera will not catch and C is a black hole and RF is a black hole. They are really one 800+ OPS bat away in the OF from sporting a very decent line-up, albeit, no superstars.
The real issue is starting pitching. For certain unless they make some surprise trades for starters or surprise signings, they cannot contend with what they have. The minor league guys will not arrive until 2027 or 2028. The crop in the minors if they are willing to add 1 free agent SP that is a #1/2#2 and add a MOTO bat, then this team could contend in 2027 and for certain by 2028. You can't wait forever to contend. If you get a group of 5 or 6 starting players like those above, you need to add and go for it. If you trade them all away, you will be wasting the prime years of Wetherholdt, Herrera and Winn...
What about 3b?
I’m assuming Donovan.
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:12 am
by 45s
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:04 am
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 07:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
why are you concerned how many attend each night??
Speaking of ole miss, enjoy that feast known as Washington State. Then it’s at Georgia, at Oklahoma, home against tough SC.
That game at miss state ain’t no gimme.
yes.....tough schedule coming up.....no more cupcakes like Ga St, tulane, LSU
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:15 am
by sikeston bulldog2
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:12 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:04 am
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 07:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
why are you concerned how many attend each night??
Speaking of ole miss, enjoy that feast known as Washington State. Then it’s at Georgia, at Oklahoma, home against tough SC.
That game at miss state ain’t no gimme.
yes.....tough schedule coming up.....no more cupcakes like Ga St, tulane, LSU
Ha, I hear ya. Be glad we have no offense.
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:23 am
by 45s
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:15 am
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:12 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:04 am
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 07:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
why are you concerned how many attend each night??
Speaking of ole miss, enjoy that feast known as Washington State. Then it’s at Georgia, at Oklahoma, home against tough SC.
That game at miss state ain’t no gimme.
yes.....tough schedule coming up.....no more cupcakes like Ga St, tulane, LSU
Ha, I hear ya. Be glad we have no offense.
I wasn't going to poke you about that...but since you brought it up.....
I think the Rebs are overrated..at least right now....
with L S U being down, they really don't have a quality win
going to norman and athens will show what they have
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:42 am
by sikeston bulldog2
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:23 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:15 am
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:12 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:04 am
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 07:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
why are you concerned how many attend each night??
Speaking of ole miss, enjoy that feast known as Washington State. Then it’s at Georgia, at Oklahoma, home against tough SC.
That game at miss state ain’t no gimme.
yes.....tough schedule coming up.....no more cupcakes like Ga St, tulane, LSU
Ha, I hear ya. Be glad we have no offense.
I wasn't going to poke you about that...but since you brought it up.....
I think the Rebs are overrated..at least right now....
with L S U being down, they really don't have a quality win
going to norman and athens will show what they have
I think your trap game is SC coming in. After two huge emotionally draining games on the road, I think a tough non ranked team may do damage.
Watch SC.
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:44 am
by Bully4you
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 07:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
why are you concerned how many attend each night??
Who the [fork] said I was concerned?
You're dumb (donkey) that's who.
I merely said what I thought would happen.
Quit reading into things Francis.
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:46 am
by 45s
oh yeah.....
especially the way the Rebs slapped them around in Columbia last year
has trap written all over it
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:49 am
by 45s
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 08:44 am
45s wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 07:58 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
why are you concerned how many attend each night??
Who the [fork] said I was concerned?
You're dumb (donkey) that's who.
I merely said what I thought would happen.
Quit reading into things Francis.
it's unfortunate you are not able to respond anyone without personal attacks
it destroys any credibility in the thoughts you offer
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 08:52 am
by Bully4you
Whatever.
You tried to be cute in a sarcastic way.
Nothing new for you.
Even back to the candy6 days.
So, I just called you out for what you are.
If you reread what I originally posted, there is no concern shown on my part.
Re: This offseason, how it will look (educating some of you)
Posted: 09 Oct 2025 09:48 am
by ecleme22
Bully4you wrote: ↑09 Oct 2025 04:38 am
ecleme22 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2025 18:54 pm
Okay, some of you are talking about this offseason as if Bloom will trade his trade chips for vets who can help the roster in 2026.
This is how it will look...
ON THE TRADE BLOCK
Donovan
Nootbar
Arenado
Gray
A young catcher or two
Contreras (maybe)
Gorman (maybe)
Walker (maybe)
Burleson (maybe)
Libby (longshot)
WHO WILL THEY PRIMARILY BE TRADED FOR:
Minor league prospects
Major leaguers with 2 or less years of service time.
WHO I THINK WILL BE SIGNED
2 short term starters on 1-2 year deals.
1 possibly a corner OFer on a 1-2 year deal.
That's it. Feel free to guess how the offseason will be like roughly in those parameters.
But anything that's "these 4 cardinals for one really good starter!", just stop....
That's a chicken [shirt] plan if I ever saw one.
And it's not something that would make fans at all excited.
They'll have 15K a night if something like that is done.
And they won't even compete with the Pirates.
They might be #30 on the power rankings with your chicken [shirt] plan.
Rebuilds are rarely sexy.
But weirdly, I think if Bloom follows the plan above (which he mostly will) the team could be better than the 2025 team.
So no dumb Sandy trades, bud. Sorry.