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Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 19:06 pm
by KeeptheRamsinSTL
What do you expect to get for Gorman or Walker? Walker is terrible. Gorman has his moments but he strikes out all of the time and has a bad back.
Nootbarr and Donovan are closer to free agency and are older. I think there is a good chance that the Cardinals trade both players. By the time the Cardinals might get better both of these guys will probably leave the team anyway in free agency.
I really like Donovan as a player. He reminds me of Pete Rose without the off the field problems but he will be 29 next season. It is time to let Bloom trade away the guys from Mo's time in St. Louis and bring in the players that he sees as the future.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 19:14 pm
by icon
craviduce wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 18:11 pm
Burleson is a singles hitter with runners on base and RISP....only 7 XBH with RISP last year
....33 Hits and only 7 of them XBH. That can't be allowed in the 3rd Hole....bat him 6th or 7th. Maybe 9th if he can be taught to run faster in the offseason?...After all he's coming into a Made up Prime next year, so he's getting better...so we're told
This team can't afford anymore station to station running....Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back.
1. Wetherholt/Donovan
2. Herrera
3. Donovan/Wetherholt
4. Contreras
5. FA power bat, something better than 7 XBH with RISP
6. Winn
7. Burleson
8. Pick a strike out catcher
9. VS2
True, but all this talk about Oli and his iPAD runs counter to what he actually does. He has this information. Yet he bats Burly 3rd. And will still bat Burly 3rd next year if allowed to remain manager.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 19:22 pm
by icon
KeeptheRamsinSTL wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:06 pm
What do you expect to get for Gorman or Walker? Walker is terrible. Gorman has his moments but he strikes out all of the time and has a bad back.
Nootbarr and Donovan are closer to free agency and are older. I think there is a good chance that the Cardinals trade both players. By the time the Cardinals might get better both of these guys will probably leave the team anyway in free agency.
I really like Donovan as a player. He reminds me of Pete Rose without the off the field problems but he will be 29 next season. It is time to let Bloom trade away the guys from Mo's time in St. Louis and bring in the players that he sees as the future.
Donovan reminds you of Pete Rose? Ok. That never occurred to me. Let me know when Donovan gets close to 2,000 or 3,000 or 4,000 hits, though. I don't want to miss those moments!
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 19:28 pm
by Mort Gage
Shady wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 18:59 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 18:40 pm
Shady wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 18:20 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 18:18 pm
I guess he needed extra special attention today.... 4 or 5 new threads? Most of them repeats from other threads he's started.
Spammer-in-chief
Isn't it about time for you to "get lost" from the supervisory role you seem to feel you are entitled to on CT. Rest up for your reporting duties. The forum doesn't need your negativity. There are plenty of respectful posters interested in discussing baseball. Not causing trouble like you constantly try to do. By the way, your "
Winn batting 6, Burleson at 7 vs RHP may be the stupidest suggestion I've ever witnessed on Cards Talk".
I know...but Winn's 11 XBH with RISP vs. Burley's 7 XBH with RISP in fewer AB's, too.... Now, about the intelligence claim you just made :
Winn's .253 BA, 9 HRs, 51 RBIs, .673 OPS. Compared to Burleson's numbers. No thanks. You are losing your asinine brain fart spar. Fortunately, your reporting is much better than your analytical ability and plain common sense.
Is there anyone you haven't alienated who could check in on you? Your behavior is disturbing.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 19:49 pm
by KeeptheRamsinSTL
icon wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:22 pm
KeeptheRamsinSTL wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:06 pm
What do you expect to get for Gorman or Walker? Walker is terrible. Gorman has his moments but he strikes out all of the time and has a bad back.
Nootbarr and Donovan are closer to free agency and are older. I think there is a good chance that the Cardinals trade both players. By the time the Cardinals might get better both of these guys will probably leave the team anyway in free agency.
I really like Donovan as a player. He reminds me of Pete Rose without the off the field problems but he will be 29 next season. It is time to let Bloom trade away the guys from Mo's time in St. Louis and bring in the players that he sees as the future.
Donovan reminds you of Pete Rose? Ok. That never occurred to me. Let me know when Donovan gets close to 2,000 or 3,000 or 4,000 hits, though. I don't want to miss those moments!
HE isn't going to get to 4,256. I know that.
He still reminds me of Rose.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 19:56 pm
by Shady
KeeptheRamsinSTL wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:49 pm
icon wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:22 pm
KeeptheRamsinSTL wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:06 pm
What do you expect to get for Gorman or Walker? Walker is terrible. Gorman has his moments but he strikes out all of the time and has a bad back.
Nootbarr and Donovan are closer to free agency and are older. I think there is a good chance that the Cardinals trade both players. By the time the Cardinals might get better both of these guys will probably leave the team anyway in free agency.
I really like Donovan as a player. He reminds me of Pete Rose without the off the field problems but he will be 29 next season. It is time to let Bloom trade away the guys from Mo's time in St. Louis and bring in the players that he sees as the future.
Donovan reminds you of Pete Rose? Ok. That never occurred to me. Let me know when Donovan gets close to 2,000 or 3,000 or 4,000 hits, though. I don't want to miss those moments!
HE isn't going to get to 4,256. I know that.
He still reminds me of Rose.
Donovan does kind of remind me, too, of Rose hitting from the left side. And the way he plays the game. Obviously, Donny will never accomplish what Rose did in a career.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 20:20 pm
by hullie
If Burleson is our #3 hitter next year it’s gonna be another long year.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 20:22 pm
by woofy25
craviduce wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 18:11 pm
Burleson is a singles hitter with runners on base and RISP....only 7 XBH with RISP last year
....33 Hits and only 7 of them XBH. That can't be allowed in the 3rd Hole....bat him 6th or 7th. Maybe 9th if he can be taught to run faster in the offseason?...After all he's coming into a Made up Prime next year, so he's getting better...so we're told
This team can't afford anymore station to station running....Singles hitters in the 3rd hole are holding us back.
1. Wetherholt/Donovan
2. Herrera
3. Donovan/Wetherholt
4. Contreras
5. FA power bat, something better than 7 XBH with RISP
6. Winn
7. Burleson
8. Pick a strike out catcher
9. VS2
As would Winn hitting 6th. Gross
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 20:28 pm
by icon
hullie wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 20:20 pm
If Burleson is our #3 hitter next year it’s gonna be another long year.
He will be if he is still here and Oli is still here.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 20:36 pm
by MIDMOBIRDTWO
hullie wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 20:20 pm
If Burleson is our #3 hitter next year it’s gonna be another long year.
It would be another disaster.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
by Shady
This team has much worse issues than Burleson batting #3. Wake the (bleep) up Burleson bashers.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 20:59 pm
by Mort Gage
Shady wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 20:51 pm
This team has much worse issues than Burleson batting #3. Wake the (bleep) up Burleson bashers.
Is there anyone you haven't alienated who could check in on you? Your behavior is disturbing.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 05 Oct 2025 23:03 pm
by JuanAgosto
No. Nootbaar would bring back a mid prospect or a relief pitcher. Gorman and Walker bring nothing more than a mediocre low minor league maybe.
Bloom either fills the pitching needs through short-term prove it deals or one year low end deals like Gibson and Lynn.
That is the only way you keep Donovan. My guess is Bloom shops him in hopes of landing a #2 or #3 starting pitcher.
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 06 Oct 2025 07:06 am
by earp
send lottery ticket for STL to pay half the contract
Re: Could the Cardinals get enough for Nootbaar, and Gorman or Walker in order to keep Donovan?
Posted: 06 Oct 2025 08:13 am
by 2ninr
Shady wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 18:20 pm
craviduce wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 18:18 pm
I guess he needed extra special attention today.... 4 or 5 new threads? Most of them repeats from other threads he's started.
Spammer-in-chief
Isn't it about time for you to "get lost" from the supervisory role you seem to feel you are entitled to on CT. Rest up for your reporting duties. The forum doesn't need your negativity. There are plenty of respectful posters interested in discussing baseball. Not causing trouble like you constantly try to do. By the way, your
"Winn batting 6, Burleson at 7 vs RHP may be the stupidest suggestion I've ever witnessed on Cards Talk".
Pro tip- You don't need quotation marks around things you said.