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Decker57 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 17:19 pm Having at least 2 very good starters and decent 3 and 4 starters (which they already have) along with a good setup guy and closer is the quickest way to be a real contender.
I don't see DeWitt spending for a couple upper tier starters but a team like the cardinals could be transformed quickly into a honest contender with them.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 05:57 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:42 pm

jcgmoi wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:04 pm Bats for the season, arms for the playoffs.

I hadn’t really heard it put that way, and I can’t say I don’t buy into the premise, but wouldn’t the good arms have to already be around for the regular season?

Unless you’re talking about being very aggressive at the deadline in adding arms, but no guarantees you’ll get your guys.

It’s is another way of saying that pitching will eventually outplay hitting. I say- offense wins games, defense wins championships. Same theory.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:26 am I'm a firm believer you PAY via free agency for hitters, develop starting pitching.

Given the unpredictability of pitchers injuries signing a starter to a huge contract can handicap a team like the Cardinals payroll if the deal goes bad.

I think C. Bloom will draft/develop power pitching, trade or sign hitters to supplement the areas that can't be filled from within.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 05:57 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:42 pm

jcgmoi wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:04 pm Bats for the season, arms for the playoffs.

I hadn’t really heard it put that way, and I can’t say I don’t buy into the premise, but wouldn’t the good arms have to already be around for the regular season?

Unless you’re talking about being very aggressive at the deadline in adding arms, but no guarantees you’ll get your guys.

It’s is another way of saying that pitching will eventually outplay hitting. I say- offense wins games, defense wins championships. Same theory.

ramfandan wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 12:15 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 17:19 pm Having at least 2 very good starters and decent 3 and 4 starters (which they already have) along with a good setup guy and closer is the quickest way to be a real contender.
I don't see DeWitt spending for a couple upper tier starters but a team like the cardinals could be transformed quickly into a honest contender with them.

I don't see DeWitt spending for the couple upper tier starters either . What I do see is Director of Pitching Matt Pierpont, former Seattle , bringing along starters of our farm system. We have McGreevy currently , Liam Doyle (our No. 1 pick last year ) , this year's Double A starting and winning pitcher in Texas League title game Brycen Mautz 8-3 2.85 ERA who will be in Memphis in 2026 . We also have Matthews in our farm system too.
Those are the guys that will be our upcoming pitchers as Bloom rebuilds the team. After these next two years, then I could see Bloom adding a proven vet starter to that core.

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 06:22 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 05:57 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:42 pm

jcgmoi wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:04 pm Bats for the season, arms for the playoffs.

I hadn’t really heard it put that way, and I can’t say I don’t buy into the premise, but wouldn’t the good arms have to already be around for the regular season?

Unless you’re talking about being very aggressive at the deadline in adding arms, but no guarantees you’ll get your guys.

It’s is another way of saying that pitching will eventually outplay hitting. I say- offense wins games, defense wins championships. Same theory.

Playoff baseball is a different game. Hot hitting involves the baseball Gods. They're really hard to beat. But if they're off doing something else, good pitching and defense seems to win.

Youboughtit wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 17:03 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 06:22 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 05:57 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:42 pm

jcgmoi wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:04 pm Bats for the season, arms for the playoffs.

I hadn’t really heard it put that way, and I can’t say I don’t buy into the premise, but wouldn’t the good arms have to already be around for the regular season?

Unless you’re talking about being very aggressive at the deadline in adding arms, but no guarantees you’ll get your guys.

It’s is another way of saying that pitching will eventually outplay hitting. I say- offense wins games, defense wins championships. Same theory.

Playoff baseball is a different game. Hot hitting involves the baseball Gods. They're really hard to beat. But if they're off doing something else, good pitching and defense seems to win.

But not at the complete neglect of offense. Still has to be better than leauge average. Yea a top 5 pitching, top 5 defense, and a top 15 offense may get lucky and win a WS but not if the offensive production is 29-30 like the current Cardinals roster

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:18 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 17:03 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 06:22 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 05:57 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:42 pm

jcgmoi wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:04 pm Bats for the season, arms for the playoffs.

I hadn’t really heard it put that way, and I can’t say I don’t buy into the premise, but wouldn’t the good arms have to already be around for the regular season?

Unless you’re talking about being very aggressive at the deadline in adding arms, but no guarantees you’ll get your guys.

It’s is another way of saying that pitching will eventually outplay hitting. I say- offense wins games, defense wins championships. Same theory.

Playoff baseball is a different game. Hot hitting involves the baseball Gods. They're really hard to beat. But if they're off doing something else, good pitching and defense seems to win.

But not at the complete neglect of offense. Still has to be better than leauge average. Yea a top 5 pitching, top 5 defense, and a top 15 offense may get lucky and win a WS but not if the offensive production is 29-30 like the current Cardinals roster

We had 3 guys that didn't hit as well as Wainright. That's a problem not even the baseball Gods can fix.

Youboughtit wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:47 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:18 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 17:03 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 06:22 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 05:57 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:42 pm

jcgmoi wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:04 pm Bats for the season, arms for the playoffs.

I hadn’t really heard it put that way, and I can’t say I don’t buy into the premise, but wouldn’t the good arms have to already be around for the regular season?

Unless you’re talking about being very aggressive at the deadline in adding arms, but no guarantees you’ll get your guys.

It’s is another way of saying that pitching will eventually outplay hitting. I say- offense wins games, defense wins championships. Same theory.

Playoff baseball is a different game. Hot hitting involves the baseball Gods. They're really hard to beat. But if they're off doing something else, good pitching and defense seems to win.

But not at the complete neglect of offense. Still has to be better than leauge average. Yea a top 5 pitching, top 5 defense, and a top 15 offense may get lucky and win a WS but not if the offensive production is 29-30 like the current Cardinals roster

We had 3 guys that didn't hit as well as Wainright. That's a problem not even the baseball Gods can fix.

Hererra/Crooks will replace Pages and Wetherholt will help but they have do add legit power somewhere and I would have Scott as a 4th OF. Payrol is what’s holding this roster back. Until they can spend it’s impossible to see a WS contenting formula

2ninr wrote: ↑06 Oct 2025 05:10 am

Youboughtit wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:47 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:18 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 17:03 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 06:22 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 05:57 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:42 pm

jcgmoi wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:04 pm Bats for the season, arms for the playoffs.

I hadn’t really heard it put that way, and I can’t say I don’t buy into the premise, but wouldn’t the good arms have to already be around for the regular season?

Unless you’re talking about being very aggressive at the deadline in adding arms, but no guarantees you’ll get your guys.

It’s is another way of saying that pitching will eventually outplay hitting. I say- offense wins games, defense wins championships. Same theory.

Playoff baseball is a different game. Hot hitting involves the baseball Gods. They're really hard to beat. But if they're off doing something else, good pitching and defense seems to win.

But not at the complete neglect of offense. Still has to be better than leauge average. Yea a top 5 pitching, top 5 defense, and a top 15 offense may get lucky and win a WS but not if the offensive production is 29-30 like the current Cardinals roster

We had 3 guys that didn't hit as well as Wainright. That's a problem not even the baseball Gods can fix.

Hererra/Crooks will replace Pages and Wetherholt will help but they have do add legit power somewhere and I would have Scott as a 4th OF. Payrol is what’s holding this roster back. Until they can spend it’s impossible to see a WS contenting formula

I agree 100%. That $ has to be spent strategically like we used to. First we have to get back to developing most of our pitching. I have guarded optimism about some of the pitching in the system right now. We have to get decent prospects for the guys we move. But you can't be paying for pitching the way we have been. It doesn't leave money to plug those holes. Your roster winds up how it is right now.

Decker57 wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 17:19 pm Having at least 2 very good starters and decent 3 and 4 starters (which they already have) along with a good setup guy and closer is the quickest way to be a real contender.
I don't see DeWitt spending for a couple upper tier starters but a team like the cardinals could be transformed quickly into a honest contender with them.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 12:37 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 09:26 am I'm a firm believer you PAY via free agency for hitters, develop starting pitching.

Given the unpredictability of pitchers injuries signing a starter to a huge contract can handicap a team like the Cardinals payroll if the deal goes bad.

I think C. Bloom will draft/develop power pitching, trade or sign hitters to supplement the areas that can't be filled from within.

The Nats signing Scherzer for TOP $$$ worked out well. Oftentimes a pitchers most dominant playoff performances come years after they have reached free agency. Experience matters in the playoffs.

2ninr wrote: ↑06 Oct 2025 05:10 am

Youboughtit wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:47 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 19:18 pm

Youboughtit wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 17:03 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 06:22 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2025 05:57 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 19:42 pm

jcgmoi wrote: ↑04 Oct 2025 18:04 pm Bats for the season, arms for the playoffs.

I hadn’t really heard it put that way, and I can’t say I don’t buy into the premise, but wouldn’t the good arms have to already be around for the regular season?

Unless you’re talking about being very aggressive at the deadline in adding arms, but no guarantees you’ll get your guys.

It’s is another way of saying that pitching will eventually outplay hitting. I say- offense wins games, defense wins championships. Same theory.

Playoff baseball is a different game. Hot hitting involves the baseball Gods. They're really hard to beat. But if they're off doing something else, good pitching and defense seems to win.

But not at the complete neglect of offense. Still has to be better than leauge average. Yea a top 5 pitching, top 5 defense, and a top 15 offense may get lucky and win a WS but not if the offensive production is 29-30 like the current Cardinals roster

We had 3 guys that didn't hit as well as Wainright. That's a problem not even the baseball Gods can fix.

Hererra/Crooks will replace Pages and Wetherholt will help but they have do add legit power somewhere and I would have Scott as a 4th OF. Payrol is what’s holding this roster back. Until they can spend it’s impossible to see a WS contenting formula

I agree 100%. That $ has to be spent strategically like we used to. First we have to get back to developing most of our pitching. I have guarded optimism about some of the pitching in the system right now. We have to get decent prospects for the guys we move. But you can't be paying for pitching the way we have been. It doesn't leave money to plug those holes. Your roster winds up how it is right now.