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Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:34 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:32 am Neither have value in a trade.

Gray with a 5+ ERA and owed $35

Nado is a shell of himself and suspect arm/shoulder

Eating money for some garbage in a trade vs running out the contract...I run out the contract

Gray doesn't have a 5 ERA.

Still I'd run out the contract because I like both the players. Gray is actually a winning pitcher here.

If he can win another 14 games for us in 2027, that incremental $25M option doesn't look bad at all on a $/win basis.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:34 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:32 am Neither have value in a trade.

Gray with a 5+ ERA and owed $35

Nado is a shell of himself and suspect arm/shoulder

Eating money for some garbage in a trade vs running out the contract...I run out the contract

Gray doesn't have a 5 ERA.

Still I'd run out the contract because I like both the players. Gray is actually a winning pitcher here.

If he can win another 14 games for us in 2027, that incremental $25M option doesn't look bad at all on a $/win basis.

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:28 am

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:19 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:01 am Then we could have a $50 million payroll! Who’s ready for season tickets?!?!

I'm in the business of hating on the Cardinals and ownership myself but I can hardly blame them for wanting to go into the upcoming lockout with his little payroll as possible until they know the new parameters.

I put the chances of a lockout at 99.9%

Well, they can sell that dream of potential lockout leverage to the 1 million fans coming to see them play next year.

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:28 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:28 am

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:19 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:01 am Then we could have a $50 million payroll! Who’s ready for season tickets?!?!

I'm in the business of hating on the Cardinals and ownership myself but I can hardly blame them for wanting to go into the upcoming lockout with his little payroll as possible until they know the new parameters.

I put the chances of a lockout at 99.9%

Well, they can sell that dream of potential lockout leverage to the 1 million fans coming to see them play next year.

They're not getting fans to come to the ballpark next year. Especially if they keep Oli as manager which they probably will. I have no clue what kind of free agent signings it would take to overcome that decision but it's far greater than anything deWitt will stomach. Might as well ride along with a another year of a bad team and even worse attendance and sort it out on the other side of the new bargaining agreement

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:28 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:28 am

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:19 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:01 am Then we could have a $50 million payroll! Who’s ready for season tickets?!?!

I'm in the business of hating on the Cardinals and ownership myself but I can hardly blame them for wanting to go into the upcoming lockout with his little payroll as possible until they know the new parameters.

I put the chances of a lockout at 99.9%

Well, they can sell that dream of potential lockout leverage to the 1 million fans coming to see them play next year.

They're not getting fans to come to the ballpark next year. Especially if they keep Oli as manager which they probably will. I have no clue what kind of free agent signings it would take to overcome that decision but it's far greater than anything deWitt will stomach. Might as well ride along with a another year of a bad team and even worse attendance and sort it out on the other side of the new bargaining agreement

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:41 pm

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:28 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:28 am

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:19 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:01 am Then we could have a $50 million payroll! Who’s ready for season tickets?!?!

I'm in the business of hating on the Cardinals and ownership myself but I can hardly blame them for wanting to go into the upcoming lockout with his little payroll as possible until they know the new parameters.

I put the chances of a lockout at 99.9%

Well, they can sell that dream of potential lockout leverage to the 1 million fans coming to see them play next year.

They're not getting fans to come to the ballpark next year. Especially if they keep Oli as manager which they probably will. I have no clue what kind of free agent signings it would take to overcome that decision but it's far greater than anything deWitt will stomach. Might as well ride along with a another year of a bad team and even worse attendance and sort it out on the other side of the new bargaining agreement

I have trouble believing fans come to, or don't come to a ballpark because of a manager.

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:57 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:41 pm

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:28 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:28 am

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:19 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:01 am Then we could have a $50 million payroll! Who’s ready for season tickets?!?!

I'm in the business of hating on the Cardinals and ownership myself but I can hardly blame them for wanting to go into the upcoming lockout with his little payroll as possible until they know the new parameters.

I put the chances of a lockout at 99.9%

Well, they can sell that dream of potential lockout leverage to the 1 million fans coming to see them play next year.

They're not getting fans to come to the ballpark next year. Especially if they keep Oli as manager which they probably will. I have no clue what kind of free agent signings it would take to overcome that decision but it's far greater than anything deWitt will stomach. Might as well ride along with a another year of a bad team and even worse attendance and sort it out on the other side of the new bargaining agreement

I have trouble believing fans come to, or don't come to a ballpark because of a manager.

I know you do. I don't. I've gone to a couple games this year but only because I got free tickets. I have very little interest in the players and the Oli extension after a 20 game under .500 season put me in the camp of they can kiss my (donkey) until they kick his (donkey) to the curb. He's representative to me of everything that's wrong with this baseball team. I have also never personally met anyone that is a fan of his. I'm sure they exist I just haven't met one

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:28 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:28 am

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:19 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:01 am Then we could have a $50 million payroll! Who’s ready for season tickets?!?!

I'm in the business of hating on the Cardinals and ownership myself but I can hardly blame them for wanting to go into the upcoming lockout with his little payroll as possible until they know the new parameters.

I put the chances of a lockout at 99.9%

Well, they can sell that dream of potential lockout leverage to the 1 million fans coming to see them play next year.

They're not getting fans to come to the ballpark next year. Especially if they keep Oli as manager which they probably will. I have no clue what kind of free agent signings it would take to overcome that decision but it's far greater than anything deWitt will stomach. Might as well ride along with a another year of a bad team and even worse attendance and sort it out on the other side of the new bargaining agreement

2ninr wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 15:21 pm

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:28 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:28 am

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:19 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:01 am Then we could have a $50 million payroll! Who’s ready for season tickets?!?!

I'm in the business of hating on the Cardinals and ownership myself but I can hardly blame them for wanting to go into the upcoming lockout with his little payroll as possible until they know the new parameters.

I put the chances of a lockout at 99.9%

Well, they can sell that dream of potential lockout leverage to the 1 million fans coming to see them play next year.

They're not getting fans to come to the ballpark next year. Especially if they keep Oli as manager which they probably will. I have no clue what kind of free agent signings it would take to overcome that decision but it's far greater than anything deWitt will stomach. Might as well ride along with a another year of a bad team and even worse attendance and sort it out on the other side of the new bargaining agreement

When did they sign a new cba? I missed that.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 15:09 pm

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 14:57 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 13:41 pm

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:28 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:28 am

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:19 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:01 am Then we could have a $50 million payroll! Who’s ready for season tickets?!?!

I'm in the business of hating on the Cardinals and ownership myself but I can hardly blame them for wanting to go into the upcoming lockout with his little payroll as possible until they know the new parameters.

I put the chances of a lockout at 99.9%

Well, they can sell that dream of potential lockout leverage to the 1 million fans coming to see them play next year.

They're not getting fans to come to the ballpark next year. Especially if they keep Oli as manager which they probably will. I have no clue what kind of free agent signings it would take to overcome that decision but it's far greater than anything deWitt will stomach. Might as well ride along with a another year of a bad team and even worse attendance and sort it out on the other side of the new bargaining agreement

I have trouble believing fans come to, or don't come to a ballpark because of a manager.

I know you do. I don't. I've gone to a couple games this year but only because I got free tickets. I have very little interest in the players and the Oli extension after a 20 game under .500 season put me in the camp of they can kiss my (donkey) until they kick his (donkey) to the curb. He's representative to me of everything that's wrong with this baseball team. I have also never personally met anyone that is a fan of his. I'm sure they exist I just haven't met one

You go or don't go to games because of who's managing? And yet you did

TXCardsFanX wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:31 am There is a time for punting. 2025 was a punt and 2026 will also be a punt.
The Cardinals are for sure going to have to eat some of Gray and Nado's payrolls, but they can focus on bringing in more guys who they feel are part of the future.

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 19:08 pm

2ninr wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 15:21 pm

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 12:28 pm

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 10:28 am

ForumPolice wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 09:19 am

Midrange Jay wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:01 am Then we could have a $50 million payroll! Who’s ready for season tickets?!?!

I'm in the business of hating on the Cardinals and ownership myself but I can hardly blame them for wanting to go into the upcoming lockout with his little payroll as possible until they know the new parameters.

I put the chances of a lockout at 99.9%

Well, they can sell that dream of potential lockout leverage to the 1 million fans coming to see them play next year.

They're not getting fans to come to the ballpark next year. Especially if they keep Oli as manager which they probably will. I have no clue what kind of free agent signings it would take to overcome that decision but it's far greater than anything deWitt will stomach. Might as well ride along with a another year of a bad team and even worse attendance and sort it out on the other side of the new bargaining agreement

When did they sign a new cba? I missed that.

After the guaranteed lockout.

cardsrmyteam wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 19:18 pm

TXCardsFanX wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 08:31 am There is a time for punting. 2025 was a punt and 2026 will also be a punt.
The Cardinals are for sure going to have to eat some of Gray and Nado's payrolls, but they can focus on bringing in more guys who they feel are part of the future.

Just like the transition from Auggie 2 to Auggie 3. This franchise is set up to be the joke of the league.

Glad Mo is gone. Finally the end of his reign is here.