Alex Pietrangelo Not Ruling Out 2025-26 Return

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Re: Alex Pietrangelo Not Ruling Out 2025-26 Return

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blues2112 wrote: 23 Sep 2025 12:38 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 23 Sep 2025 12:28 pm
Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 12:16 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 23 Sep 2025 12:01 pm
DawgDad wrote: 23 Sep 2025 09:36 am April 19. Book it, Danno.
They moved up the implementation of closing that loophole to this season.
They did, but is anyone going to be surprised when Vegas somehow still manages to dress a roster outside the cap?
Yes, I’d be surprised if the NHL hired lawyers so stupid it would be that easy to get around the exact wording they came up with.
Right now, VGK has zero on LTIR, but over cap by $7.6 million. His cap hit can only be "applied" after game one, correct?

https://puckpedia.com/team/vegas-golden-knights
correct. They'll do some paper transactions to get below that and then at 12:01 on opening day they'll transfer him to LTIR.
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Re: Alex Pietrangelo Not Ruling Out 2025-26 Return

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TheJackBurton wrote: 23 Sep 2025 13:06 pm correct. They'll do some paper transactions to get below that and then at 12:01 on opening day they'll transfer him to LTIR.
Gotcha. So they'll be compliant by time of actual puck drop.
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Re: Alex Pietrangelo Not Ruling Out 2025-26 Return

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Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:37 am
aslord wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:15 am
Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:13 am
DawgDad wrote: 23 Sep 2025 09:36 am April 19. Book it, Danno.
Agreed. Anyone with a brain could see this was coming. It’s Vegas and they’re cheaters. Cheaters cheat.

Literally, this is simply them setting the stage for a miraculous return right before playoffs.
They haven't cheated any more than Mark McGwire cheated. Which is not at all.
Such a weird comparison. How is McGwire taking steroids the same as Vegas lying to the NHL about their players being injured?
both falls under the category of people saying they cheated. When they did not. what's not to understand?
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Re: Alex Pietrangelo Not Ruling Out 2025-26 Return

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aslord wrote: 23 Sep 2025 13:16 pm
Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:37 am
aslord wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:15 am
Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:13 am
DawgDad wrote: 23 Sep 2025 09:36 am April 19. Book it, Danno.
Agreed. Anyone with a brain could see this was coming. It’s Vegas and they’re cheaters. Cheaters cheat.

Literally, this is simply them setting the stage for a miraculous return right before playoffs.
They haven't cheated any more than Mark McGwire cheated. Which is not at all.
Such a weird comparison. How is McGwire taking steroids the same as Vegas lying to the NHL about their players being injured?
both falls under the category of people saying they cheated. When they did not. what's not to understand?
In one instance you have individuals injecting things into their own body’s to improve their individual performance. In the other, you have an entire organization feigning injuries to players in order to supplement their already overstuffed rosters, at the expense league parity, and in direct circumvention of league policies. Not the same.

What’s not to understand?
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Re: Alex Pietrangelo Not Ruling Out 2025-26 Return

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Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 14:07 pm
aslord wrote: 23 Sep 2025 13:16 pm
Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:37 am
aslord wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:15 am
Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:13 am
DawgDad wrote: 23 Sep 2025 09:36 am April 19. Book it, Danno.
Agreed. Anyone with a brain could see this was coming. It’s Vegas and they’re cheaters. Cheaters cheat.

Literally, this is simply them setting the stage for a miraculous return right before playoffs.
They haven't cheated any more than Mark McGwire cheated. Which is not at all.
Such a weird comparison. How is McGwire taking steroids the same as Vegas lying to the NHL about their players being injured?
both falls under the category of people saying they cheated. When they did not. what's not to understand?
In one instance you have individuals injecting things into their own body’s to improve their individual performance. In the other, you have an entire organization feigning injuries to players in order to supplement their already overstuffed rosters, at the expense league parity, and in direct circumvention of league policies. Not the same.

What’s not to understand?
Mark stone had multiple back surgeries

Pietrangelo, one of the most respected players out there, has been to multiple doctors to address his health. He pulled out of a major tournament that means a lot to him.

You’re being cute. I like it
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Or Factual.
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Petro is washed anyways. One of the best and worst deals Army did was the Petro situation. Apparently, it was clear he was carrying some sort of injury baggage. Vegas got to milk the last bit of good play out of Petro, but at 8.8m, he is playing at the same standard a 4m player is.

As to the salary cap stuff, you get until I think next week to move players to get compliant. You are allowed to be 10 percent over for training camp/preseason.
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callitwhatyouwant wrote: 23 Sep 2025 14:44 pm Apparently, it was clear he was carrying some sort of injury baggage.
Based on what? Leading another team to a Cup? Armstrong selecting him to lead Team Canada saying he was playing the best he’d ever seen him play?

You make stuff up all the time.

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theograce wrote: 23 Sep 2025 14:49 pm
callitwhatyouwant wrote: 23 Sep 2025 14:44 pm Apparently, it was clear he was carrying some sort of injury baggage.
Based on what? Leading another team to a Cup? Armstrong selecting him to lead Team Canada saying he was playing the best he’d ever seen him play?

You make stuff up all the time.

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Bleedr petro is down and he will soon see that his kids are not his kids they are pberglunds kids
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Nublues69 wrote: 23 Sep 2025 15:00 pm
theograce wrote: 23 Sep 2025 14:49 pm
callitwhatyouwant wrote: 23 Sep 2025 14:44 pm Apparently, it was clear he was carrying some sort of injury baggage.
Based on what? Leading another team to a Cup? Armstrong selecting him to lead Team Canada saying he was playing the best he’d ever seen him play?

You make stuff up all the time.

Laughing
Bleedr petro is down and he will soon see that his kids are not his kids they are pberglunds kids
Jamie Rivers tell ya that Oxy?

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Re: Alex Pietrangelo Not Ruling Out 2025-26 Return

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blues2112 wrote: 23 Sep 2025 12:38 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 23 Sep 2025 12:28 pm
Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 12:16 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 23 Sep 2025 12:01 pm
DawgDad wrote: 23 Sep 2025 09:36 am April 19. Book it, Danno.
They moved up the implementation of closing that loophole to this season.
They did, but is anyone going to be surprised when Vegas somehow still manages to dress a roster outside the cap?
Yes, I’d be surprised if the NHL hired lawyers so stupid it would be that easy to get around the exact wording they came up with.
Right now, VGK has zero on LTIR, but over cap by $7.6 million. His cap hit can only be "applied" after game one, correct?

https://puckpedia.com/team/vegas-golden-knights
Not after game 1. Just the day after 23-man rosters are due, which is always before the first game.

Similarly, anyone putting together a Blues initial 23-man roster that doesn’t include Krug will end up incorrect.
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theograce wrote: 23 Sep 2025 15:04 pm
Nublues69 wrote: 23 Sep 2025 15:00 pm
theograce wrote: 23 Sep 2025 14:49 pm
callitwhatyouwant wrote: 23 Sep 2025 14:44 pm Apparently, it was clear he was carrying some sort of injury baggage.
Based on what? Leading another team to a Cup? Armstrong selecting him to lead Team Canada saying he was playing the best he’d ever seen him play?

You make stuff up all the time.

Laughing
Bleedr petro is down and he will soon see that his kids are not his kids they are pberglunds kids
Jamie Rivers tell ya that Oxy?

Laughing
No sir your mom told me. FYI you should probably clean your basement now.
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STL fan in MN wrote: 23 Sep 2025 15:23 pm
Not after game 1. Just the day after 23-man rosters are due, which is always before the first game.

Similarly, anyone putting together a Blues initial 23-man roster that doesn’t include Krug will end up incorrect.
Please elaborate!
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Yep I don't need proof that Santa is real and so is the tooth fairy by the way and so are all the unfortunate key player reg season injuries followed by the miraculous recoveries just in time for Vegas play offs.
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Re: Alex Pietrangelo Not Ruling Out 2025-26 Return

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Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 14:07 pm
aslord wrote: 23 Sep 2025 13:16 pm
Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:37 am
aslord wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:15 am
Backesdraft wrote: 23 Sep 2025 11:13 am
DawgDad wrote: 23 Sep 2025 09:36 am April 19. Book it, Danno.
Agreed. Anyone with a brain could see this was coming. It’s Vegas and they’re cheaters. Cheaters cheat.

Literally, this is simply them setting the stage for a miraculous return right before playoffs.
They haven't cheated any more than Mark McGwire cheated. Which is not at all.
Such a weird comparison. How is McGwire taking steroids the same as Vegas lying to the NHL about their players being injured?
both falls under the category of people saying they cheated. When they did not. what's not to understand?
In one instance you have individuals injecting things into their own body’s to improve their individual performance. In the other, you have an entire organization feigning injuries to players in order to supplement their already overstuffed rosters, at the expense league parity, and in direct circumvention of league policies. Not the same.

What’s not to understand?
both were playing within the set rules at the time. the same.
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blues2112 wrote: 23 Sep 2025 15:35 pm
STL fan in MN wrote: 23 Sep 2025 15:23 pm
Not after game 1. Just the day after 23-man rosters are due, which is always before the first game.

Similarly, anyone putting together a Blues initial 23-man roster that doesn’t include Krug will end up incorrect.
Please elaborate!
Army has made it clear in interviews that they plan to place Krug on in-season LTIR, which has more Cap advantages than placing him on off-season LTIR. This means they plan on him counting on the initial 23-man roster they have to submit by 5pm (Eastern) the day before the regular season starts (I think this is Oct 6 but don’t care enough to verify). Teams can then place players on LTIR as soon as the very next day.

For the Blues, this would allow them to push themselves up against the Cap as close as they can go. This would allow them to maximize their LTIR pool. The salary cap this season is $95.5M. If Army is able to put together a 23-man roster that adds up to precisely $95.5M, he can then place Krug on LTIR the next day and have Krug’s full $6.5M AAV added to the LTIR pool. Army would then be able to spend that $6.5M at some point this season. As another example, let’s say he puts together a roster that adds up to $93.5M, counting Krug. He’d be $2M away from the Cap still. You can only utilize LTIR by the amount it puts you over the Cap. So in that scenario, they’d only get $4.5M of Krug’s $6.5M in the LTIR Pool.

All this to say that Army will be putting together a 23-man roster that will by design be as close to the 95.5M Cap as he can get. This may result in waiver exempt players like Snuggerud, Mailloux and Dvorsky to technically be sent to the minors as a part of the initial 23-man roster. It happens every year and fans here cry and moan because they don’t understand the Cap. For the same reasons, even if the Blues do end up deciding they want to part with one or both of Texier or Joseph, I don’t expect it to be before the 23-man roster is set because they’d want those higher salaries to count so they can get as close to the $95.5M max as possible. They can then call up Snuggy, Mailloux etc and place others on waivers the next day. We did this the last couple years with Neighbours. I recall last year he wasn’t on the 23-man roster and tons of people complained about it…and then he was recalled the next day. It’s just math and Cap maneuverings at play.
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