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Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

I’ll deviate. Putting Herrera back at catcher greatly weakens that position, and wears down a 20 home run hitter. He’d be much better in left.

Gorman to replace Nado. Why not just leave the position empty. Bad idea.

Then you lose Nado a clear defensive specialist to this day.

My point.all three have a position. Play them.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

This.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:24 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

This.

The choice isn’t binary.

You remove NA, you have Fermin, Gorman, Sagesse, JJ, Donovan and probably others.

Also you get some budget relief and maybe an interesting player in return.

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:49 am

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

If Gorman is back w the team, it will be similar to how Carlson was treated in 2023-2024: with a healthy dose of skepticism.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:49 am

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

If Gorman is back w the team, it will be similar to how Carlson was treated in 2023-2024: with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Well if they want to be dumb then they can bring him back for another tour of sucking at everything. I’m hoping bloom is smarter than that but who knows

I continue to flip flop on Arenado.
Does it come down to needing to save $$ as the biggest issue?
Receive talent back?
Some combo of both??
It sounds publically from this past weekend that he will be moving on.
Probably the right choice.
Who replaces him??
Gorman? To me he is a “one tool” player who has not come close to establishing consistency.
Donovan? I like him but he could certainly be dealt....not out of desire... but out of need.
JJ? He’ll be somewhere although my money is on 2B!
Saggese? Interesting player but his defense at 3B worries me.
Stay tuned!

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:49 am

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

If Gorman is back w the team, it will be similar to how Carlson was treated in 2023-2024: with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Yes there is definitely a strong need to keep Gorman until he becomes just as worthless as Carlson did.

Good plan.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:57 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:49 am

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

If Gorman is back w the team, it will be similar to how Carlson was treated in 2023-2024: with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Well if they want to be dumb then they can bring him back for another tour of sucking at everything. I’m hoping bloom is smarter than that but who knows

Fair assumption: Since 2025 happened, if Gorman is brought back in 2026, he won't get the runway.

Thoughts on Gorman being on the roster at the beginning of 2026 ST: Who cares. It doesn't mean he will be with the team by June.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 12:36 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:57 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:49 am

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

If Gorman is back w the team, it will be similar to how Carlson was treated in 2023-2024: with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Well if they want to be dumb then they can bring him back for another tour of sucking at everything. I’m hoping bloom is smarter than that but who knows

Fair assumption: Since 2025 happened, if Gorman is brought back in 2026, he won't get the runway.

Thoughts on Gorman being on the roster at the beginning of 2026 ST: Who cares. It doesn't mean he will be with the team by June.

Fair viewpoint.
To replace Arenado my first choice(taking into account offense and defense) would be Donovan.
Although he could certainly find himself in LF.
Lots of moving parts:
Donovan- IF?OF?
Gorman- 2B?3B?DH?
Herrera- DH?OF?C?(doubtful in my mind!)
JJ- 2B?3B?
Walker- AAA?RF?Traded?

Of course there are others and any could be dealt as well?

Cusecards wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 12:54 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 12:36 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:57 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 10:49 am

renostl wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 02:08 am

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:49 pm

bretto12 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:03 pm Nado is not a productive player. Father time has caught up with him. He will hit .230 with 15 HR and 55 to 60 RBI. I would rather have a young guy there. This team is not going to compete next year and we need to clear out the vets.

A meteor that is falling can still remain at a higher altitude than an earthworm who can't even climb an anthill.

Gorman is a negative WAR player at 3B. Nado isn't. We don't need to move him just to move him and get nothing worthwhile in return just to give Gorman a 5th year of expected zero contribution. Gorman has done nothing to deserve that treatment. Move on from Gorman and then focus on who replaces Nado later. It shouldn't be Gorman as the replacement. Also Gorman would be a lot easier to trade.

Nolan could stay if he really wanted to finish his career with a rebuilding Cardinals team.

I don't believe that it is written that Gorman is the 2026 3B even if NA finds another team.

We'll know in a few months. An infield of Wetherholt, Winn, Donovan and Contreras have as
good a chance as any.

Hopefully Gorman won’t be it. What was the runway season for if you completely disregard what you learned in this runway season which is Gorman sucks at hitting and fielding

If Gorman is back w the team, it will be similar to how Carlson was treated in 2023-2024: with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Well if they want to be dumb then they can bring him back for another tour of sucking at everything. I’m hoping bloom is smarter than that but who knows

Fair assumption: Since 2025 happened, if Gorman is brought back in 2026, he won't get the runway.

Thoughts on Gorman being on the roster at the beginning of 2026 ST: Who cares. It doesn't mean he will be with the team by June.

Fair viewpoint.
To replace Arenado my first choice(taking into account offense and defense) would be Donovan.
Although he could certainly find himself in LF.
Lots of moving parts:
Donovan- IF?OF?
Gorman- 2B?3B?DH?
Herrera- DH?OF?C?(doubtful in my mind!)
JJ- 2B?3B?
Walker- AAA?RF?Traded?

Of course there are others and any could be dealt as well?

That mess of words you just posted is why the Cards roster is what it is - a mess. Too many players who either don't have a position, or can kinda play a bunch of places but aren't ideal anywhere. Or they are ideal somewhere but thats the only place so and so can play, so we put them somewhere else. As I see it, A healthy Nado at 3b Isn't the primary problem. He's only playing 1 position, and defensively, he's still excellent at it. Its those other 5 we have to weed thru, and probably move on from a couple to make our roster make sense. After that, we need to find a REAL long term replacement for Nado, not just a piecemeal servicable warm body from a multiple choice list.

I've always maintained trade Gorman and keep Nado.
I think now you trade them both.