Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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Goldfan wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:35 pm
rbirules wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:18 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:05 pm Musial
Gibson
Hornsby
Pujols
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What 3 hitters and 1 pitcher from the other teams rival that?
Don't look at the Yankees. Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, Maris, A-rod, Judge. Gibson is better (IMO) than any Yankee pitcher but the case for Mariano Rivera could be made I guess. Whitey Ford? And Jeter/Ozzie would be a debate.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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Molina over Smith for me but that's just because him and Pujols were the ones I got to see for their careers.

Obviously the others would be Musial and Gibson just based on their numbers

But yadi will always be my favorite Cardinal
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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imadangman wrote: 19 Sep 2025 13:47 pm Where's Burleson
He will be riding on Crazy Horse when his MVP filled career is over.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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illinik wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:46 pm
Goldfan wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:35 pm
rbirules wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:18 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:05 pm Musial
Gibson
Hornsby
Pujols
Need to bookmark this for every time this debate comes up.
What 3 hitters and 1 pitcher from the other teams rival that?
Don't look at the Yankees. Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, Maris, A-rod, Judge. Gibson is better (IMO) than any Yankee pitcher but the case for Mariano Rivera could be made I guess. Whitey Ford? And Jeter/Ozzie would be a debate.

And you forgot DiMaggio, yogi, pettitte, Bernie Williams, and Reggie Jackson
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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Musial, Gibson, Pujols, Hornsby. Final Answer.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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illinik wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:42 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:41 pm
clemonsonroots wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:16 pm musial Gibby Pujols

hornsby- one of the greatest hitters ever, but did not play a good portion of his career here
Hornsby was drafted by and played 13 seasons as a Cardinal (.359 .427 .568 .995).

By far his longest stint w/one team during his 23 year career (5 yrs w/the Browns, 4 yrs w/the Cubs and one yr each w/New York and Boston).

100% on the Cardinals Mt. Rushmore.
Yep, now break down Albert's career.
I was also thinking it's silly to say yes to Albert and no to Hornsby based on years on the team.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 19 Sep 2025 17:17 pm
illinik wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:46 pm
Goldfan wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:35 pm
rbirules wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:18 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:05 pm Musial
Gibson
Hornsby
Pujols
Need to bookmark this for every time this debate comes up.
What 3 hitters and 1 pitcher from the other teams rival that?
Don't look at the Yankees. Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, Maris, A-rod, Judge. Gibson is better (IMO) than any Yankee pitcher but the case for Mariano Rivera could be made I guess. Whitey Ford? And Jeter/Ozzie would be a debate.

And you forgot DiMaggio, yogi, pettitte, Bernie Williams, and Reggie Jackson
Ruth mantle Gehrig ford.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

Post by Hazelwood72 »

Absolut wrote: 19 Sep 2025 18:15 pm
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 19 Sep 2025 17:17 pm
illinik wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:46 pm
Goldfan wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:35 pm
rbirules wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:18 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:05 pm Musial
Gibson
Hornsby
Pujols
Need to bookmark this for every time this debate comes up.
What 3 hitters and 1 pitcher from the other teams rival that?
Don't look at the Yankees. Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, Maris, A-rod, Judge. Gibson is better (IMO) than any Yankee pitcher but the case for Mariano Rivera could be made I guess. Whitey Ford? And Jeter/Ozzie would be a debate.

And you forgot DiMaggio, yogi, pettitte, Bernie Williams, and Reggie Jackson
Ruth mantle Gehrig ford.
I’d put either DiMaggio or Berra ahead of Ford. IMO, if Ford pitched for any other team than the mighty 1950’s Yankees, his numbers wouldn’t have been nearly as good.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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Absolut wrote: 19 Sep 2025 18:15 pm
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 19 Sep 2025 17:17 pm
illinik wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:46 pm
Goldfan wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:35 pm
rbirules wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:18 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:05 pm Musial
Gibson
Hornsby
Pujols
Need to bookmark this for every time this debate comes up.
What 3 hitters and 1 pitcher from the other teams rival that?
Don't look at the Yankees. Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, Maris, A-rod, Judge. Gibson is better (IMO) than any Yankee pitcher but the case for Mariano Rivera could be made I guess. Whitey Ford? And Jeter/Ozzie would be a debate.

And you forgot DiMaggio, yogi, pettitte, Bernie Williams, and Reggie Jackson
Ruth mantle Gehrig ford.
I agree
Giants stack up nice as well
Mays
Bonds
McCovey
Matheson
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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I have a T-shirt that has Stan, Gibby, Ozzie, and Albert walking across Abbey Road.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

Post by Absolut »

Hazelwood72 wrote: 19 Sep 2025 18:30 pm
Absolut wrote: 19 Sep 2025 18:15 pm
vegascardsfan5890 wrote: 19 Sep 2025 17:17 pm
illinik wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:46 pm
Goldfan wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:35 pm
rbirules wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:18 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:05 pm Musial
Gibson
Hornsby
Pujols
Need to bookmark this for every time this debate comes up.
What 3 hitters and 1 pitcher from the other teams rival that?
Don't look at the Yankees. Ruth, Mantle, Gehrig, Maris, A-rod, Judge. Gibson is better (IMO) than any Yankee pitcher but the case for Mariano Rivera could be made I guess. Whitey Ford? And Jeter/Ozzie would be a debate.

And you forgot DiMaggio, yogi, pettitte, Bernie Williams, and Reggie Jackson
Ruth mantle Gehrig ford.
I’d put either DiMaggio or Berra ahead of Ford. IMO, if Ford pitched for any other team than the mighty 1950’s Yankees, his numbers wouldn’t have been nearly as good.
Agree but I was following the 3 position players and a pitcher formula from above.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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Shady wrote: 19 Sep 2025 13:39 pm Stan Musial, Bob Gibson, Ozzie Smith, and Albert Pujols.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/ne ... d6ad&ei=13
I agree
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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rbirules wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:18 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:05 pm Musial
Gibson
Hornsby
Pujols
Need to bookmark this for every time this debate comes up.
:wink:

For sure.

How could anyone realistically take one of those four off?
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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illinik wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:42 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:41 pm
clemonsonroots wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:16 pm musial Gibby Pujols

hornsby- one of the greatest hitters ever, but did not play a good portion of his career here
Hornsby was drafted by and played 13 seasons as a Cardinal (.359 .427 .568 .995).

By far his longest stint w/one team during his 23 year career (5 yrs w/the Browns, 4 yrs w/the Cubs and one yr each w/New York and Boston).

100% on the Cardinals Mt. Rushmore.
Yep, now break down Albert's career.
Albert drafted and developed by the Cardinals and played 12 seasons as a Cardinal ( .326 .417 .614 1.031). 8O

If not the greatest first 10 years to a career, then in the Top 2!

Among the greatest two or three RHH'ers of all-time.

ROY
3 MVP awards (10 Top five finishes and he had three more MVP awards stolen from him)
9 time all-star
6 Silver Sluggers
2 Gold Gloves

Two more years than he spent w/the Angels, partial year w/the Dodgers.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

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Goldfan wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:35 pm
rbirules wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:18 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:05 pm Musial
Gibson
Hornsby
Pujols
Need to bookmark this for every time this debate comes up.
What 3 hitters and 1 pitcher from the other teams rival that?
Bonds, Mays, Ott, and Mathewson certainly rivals it. Not sure it's better but it's certainly close enough to be discussed.

Red Sox have Williams, Yaz, and then the first part of Tris Spraker's career. On the pitching side they have Cy Young, Clemens, Pedro, and Lefty Grove.

Dodgers don't have the hitters to rival the Cardinals, Yankees don't have the standout pitcher unless you count Clemens' partial career there, or Rivera.

No other team comes to mind.
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Re: Are these four the Cardinals' Mt Rushmore?

Post by 12xu »

rbirules wrote: 20 Sep 2025 19:49 pm
Goldfan wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:35 pm
rbirules wrote: 19 Sep 2025 16:18 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 19 Sep 2025 14:05 pm Musial
Gibson
Hornsby
Pujols
Need to bookmark this for every time this debate comes up.
What 3 hitters and 1 pitcher from the other teams rival that?
Bonds, Mays, Ott, and Mathewson certainly rivals it. Not sure it's better but it's certainly close enough to be discussed.

Red Sox have Williams, Yaz, and then the first part of Tris Spraker's career. On the pitching side they have Cy Young, Clemens, Pedro, and Lefty Grove.

Dodgers don't have the hitters to rival the Cardinals, Yankees don't have the standout pitcher unless you count Clemens' partial career there, or Rivera.

No other team comes to mind.
Braves: Aaron, Mathews, Chipper, Spahn.
A's: Foxx, Simmons, Henderson, Grove.
Tigers: Cobb, Gehringer, Kaline, Verlander.
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