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ramfandan wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 17:01 pm Would the 'fire Oli' group be so upset that Bloom would be doomed before any player personnel moves are made . Just wondering IF he keeps Oli, how that would play overall among the Cardinal fanbase. Unsure what the overall % of fanbase want Oli replaced at the end of this season.
What are your thoughts ?

My opinion is that despite not being the biggest problem,
Marmol is not part of the solution.
Still, a message should be sent to the players that sloppy baserunning, throwing to the wrong base, terrible at-bats need cleaning up.
Marmol never seems to have a sense of urgency, and it’s past time for these things to be taken seriously.
Fire him and replace with Bloom’s choice, hopefully someone with experience and playoff success.
If Bloom keeps Marmol this year I’ll assume it’s because DeWitt doesn’t want to eat Marmol’s salary, even though in the grand scheme it’s paltry.
But I can’t see a good reason to keep him. I don’t think “The players like him” is a good reason considering the team’s sloppy play.

My stance after 4 years is that he is a below average Manager.
He’s not the worst ever or anything so dramatic or terrible.
I just think we can do better.
Of course we also need to develop/acquire better talent in certain areas.
Bloom has a lot on his plate. And if he sticks with Marmol(at least at the start) I’ll still be tuned in with optimism for 2026!

icon wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 17:04 pm Huge thumbs down. I can't stand the sight of his smirky face in the middle of losing. He has helped create a climate of "winning is optional." Gotta go,

have you seen High Em's smirk ?

If Oli is not fired:
Tom: “Say good night, Attendance.”
Dick: “Good night, Attendance.”

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 20:16 pm Im not convinced it's Bloom's decision to make this offseason. DeWitt may allow him to make a decision on oli after 2026.

I tend to agree.

No

Because it will be OBVIOUS that BDWJr made the call since he see's 2026 as another throw-away season and isn't going to pay Oli to sit at home.

dugoutrex wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 00:22 am

icon wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 17:04 pm Huge thumbs down. I can't stand the sight of his smirky face in the middle of losing. He has helped create a climate of "winning is optional." Gotta go,

have you seen High Em's smirk ?

Did Bloom run over your dog? Steal your old lady? Kick your tail in a bar fight? It seems personal with you. No one knows whether he'll have success here but you seem to have a personal dislike bordering on nasty.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 20:16 pm Im not convinced it's Bloom's decision to make this offseason. DeWitt may allow him to make a decision on oli after 2026.

this -- if bloom is forced to keep the marmot it will likely be on orders from DeWallet.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑18 Sep 2025 21:48 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 17:01 pm Would the 'fire Oli' group be so upset that Bloom would be doomed before any player personnel moves are made . Just wondering IF he keeps Oli, how that would play overall among the Cardinal fanbase. Unsure what the overall % of fanbase want Oli replaced at the end of this season.
What are your thoughts ?

My opinion is that despite not being the biggest problem,
Marmol is not part of the solution.
Still, a message should be sent to the players that sloppy baserunning, throwing to the wrong base, terrible at-bats need cleaning up.
Marmol never seems to have a sense of urgency, and it’s past time for these things to be taken seriously.
Fire him and replace with Bloom’s choice, hopefully someone with experience and playoff success.
If Bloom keeps Marmol this year I’ll assume it’s because DeWitt doesn’t want to eat Marmol’s salary, even though in the grand scheme it’s paltry.
But I can’t see a good reason to keep him. I don’t think “The players like him” is a good reason considering the team’s sloppy play.

Bloom has a lot on his plate just rearranging the roster.
He may not want to bite off too much in his first offseason?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 08:49 am No

Because it will be OBVIOUS that BDWJr made the call since he see's 2026 as another throw-away season and isn't going to pay Oli to sit at home.

I agree, but the correct thing for DeWitt to do is pay Oli his salary to work a lesser job in the minors, and let Bloom hire a new manager of his own choice.

As someone excited for him to take over I can comfortably say I will immediately turn on him if he decides to keep Oli

Yes.

ramfandan wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 17:01 pm Would the 'fire Oli' group be so upset that Bloom would be doomed before any player personnel moves are made . Just wondering IF he keeps Oli, how that would play overall among the Cardinal fanbase. Unsure what the overall % of fanbase want Oli replaced at the end of this season.
What are your thoughts ?

There's a bigger picture. If Bloom doesn't fire Marmol, then he's either powerless or flat-out stupid. In either case, nothing has changed, and we're looking at more years wasted to stubborness.

12xu wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 20:52 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 08:49 am No

Because it will be OBVIOUS that BDWJr made the call since he see's 2026 as another throw-away season and isn't going to pay Oli to sit at home.

I agree, but the correct thing for DeWitt to do is pay Oli his salary to work a lesser job in the minors, and let Bloom hire a new manager of his own choice.

100%

I've been saying the same for many months.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Sep 2025 09:35 am

12xu wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 20:52 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 08:49 am No

Because it will be OBVIOUS that BDWJr made the call since he see's 2026 as another throw-away season and isn't going to pay Oli to sit at home.

I agree, but the correct thing for DeWitt to do is pay Oli his salary to work a lesser job in the minors, and let Bloom hire a new manager of his own choice.

100%

I've been saying the same for many months.

Yes, me too, but the FO has telegraphed through story leaks that Oli will be back. We shall see. His salary is peanuts. Even with tightwad ownership, I cannot believe that salary is the issue that would keep Marmol as manager. MO will be gone. None of us know Bloom's opinion of Oli. We speculate, but none of us know. We will have the answer shortly after the WS most likely. I doubt there is an announcement either way right after the end of the regular season. But, I don't know squat:) I just have my opinion that Oli should have been gone a long time ago and some good manager and pitching coach hired who can tighten up fundamental play on this team, and have a much better in game and day to day feel about how to use the players we have most effectively. ... and my opinion is worth squat to Bloom and ownership:)

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 19:42 pm

ramfandan wrote: ↑17 Sep 2025 17:01 pm Would the 'fire Oli' group be so upset that Bloom would be doomed before any player personnel moves are made . Just wondering IF he keeps Oli, how that would play overall among the Cardinal fanbase. Unsure what the overall % of fanbase want Oli replaced at the end of this season.
What are your thoughts ?

CT does not depict/represent the Cardinals fan base.






Thank God

The acres of empty red seats at Busch Stadium would seem to refute your hypothesis. Get a clue, moran.