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Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:36 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:28 am

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:23 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:20 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:13 am Marmol doesn’t make enough money for any decision on his employment to be about saving money.

That’s a shallow out.

Lol.

My point was I hope, if they do retain him, it’s not because of cost.

As you said, Oli doesn’t make that much. It would fiscally better to keep him instead of paying him + paying the new manager.

Got it, sport?

Managers generally don't make a lot, so the salary isn't going to break anyone.

You’re talking about an org whose big signing was Maton for 1.2 million.

Also, about managers not making a lot, google Francona and Counsell.

Stay on topic

Google “Oliver Marmol contract”

You are the epitome of distraction and moving goal post.

Wow, man, I’m really in your head.

My harmless post was merely stating that I hope the front office if they keep Oli, aren’t doing it just for cost saving measures. Understand?

Two scenarios:
1. Keep Oli in ‘26.
2. Fire Oli now, hire a new manager for 2026. You still have to pay Oli in 2026, as well as the new manager.

My point was (and a pretty uncontroversial one) I hope if Bloom retains Oli, it’s based on his belief in Oli and not just to save money.

Let me know if you need more explanation. Lol

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:28 am

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:23 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:20 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:13 am Marmol doesn’t make enough money for any decision on his employment to be about saving money.

That’s a shallow out.

Lol.

My point was I hope, if they do retain him, it’s not because of cost.

As you said, Oli doesn’t make that much. It would fiscally better to keep him instead of paying him + paying the new manager.

Got it, sport?

Managers generally don't make a lot, so the salary isn't going to break anyone.

You’re talking about an org whose big signing was Maton for 1.2 million.

Also, about managers not making a lot, google Francona and Counsell.

Well, fair enough. It's safe to say Bloom is not going to sign Francona or Counsell.

But most of the managers in the league make less than 2mil/year.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:20 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:13 am Marmol doesn’t make enough money for any decision on his employment to be about saving money.

That’s a shallow out.

Lol.

My point was I hope, if they do retain him, it’s not because of cost.

As you said, Oli doesn’t make that much. It would fiscally better to keep him instead of paying him + paying the new manager.

Got it, sport?

Basil didn’t quote you, you insecure dick.

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:44 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:28 am

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:23 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:20 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:13 am Marmol doesn’t make enough money for any decision on his employment to be about saving money.

That’s a shallow out.

Lol.

My point was I hope, if they do retain him, it’s not because of cost.

As you said, Oli doesn’t make that much. It would fiscally better to keep him instead of paying him + paying the new manager.

Got it, sport?

Managers generally don't make a lot, so the salary isn't going to break anyone.

You’re talking about an org whose big signing was Maton for 1.2 million.

Also, about managers not making a lot, google Francona and Counsell.

Well, fair enough. It's safe to say Bloom is not going to sign Francona or Counsell.

But most of the managers in the league make less than 2mil/year.

And Marmol less than half that.

Oli is a pitiful excuse for a major league manager.

Unfortunately he's under contract for the 2026 season and BDWjr is going to bring the clown back.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:54 am Oli is a pitiful excuse for a major league manager.

Unfortunately he's under contract for the 2026 season and BDWjr is going to bring the clown back.

Keep hedging

Sabermetrics can be interesting and fun, but it quickly becomes clear that folks who can't swim are diving into the deep end of the pool on statistics. The pythagorian expectation is a Bill James construct with a name fancier than it's output is reliable.

This Cardinal team has not overperformed. Their peak perhas was June 29 when they reached 9 games over .500. Extrapolating their record through that date comes to 89.5 wins. That's wildcard territory. They had reached that with a relativily low injury impact. Other than the negative nancies, the consense evaluation of the Cardinals going into this season was to finish a few games over .500. As they regressed towards the mean it looked like that was right about where a mediocre team would land. After the Cardinals realized they were sellers and traded some of their better pieces for prospects, their winning percentage dropped as expected.

Through all this, as to the topic of this thread, Marmol should be evaluated. My opinion is that Marmol has cost this team about five games. First, his pitching staff management is terrible. He operates by a playbook and seldom gives credence to in-the-moment decisions based on his feel for the moment. The stats might say that this lefty gives up a high hit rate to batters such as this, but insight says the lefty has great command tonight, this hitter is pressing, and momentum is building on our side so leave him in in spite of the playbook. TLR leaves him in; Marmol takes him out. If this needs more explanation I'll be more than happy to provide it. Also, this team has a lot of fundamental flaws. That isn't only on Marmol but the entire staff. It's September and the Cardinals are still making boneheaded mistakes more expeted to see in February and March. Lastly, do the players really have faith and trust in Marmol, not only for the team but their individual roles?

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 11:16 am Sabermetrics can be interesting and fun, but it quickly becomes clear that folks who can't swim are diving into the deep end of the pool on statistics. The pythagorian expectation is a Bill James construct with a name fancier than it's output is reliable.

This Cardinal team has not overperformed. Their peak perhas was June 29 when they reached 9 games over .500. Extrapolating their record through that date comes to 89.5 wins. That's wildcard territory. They had reached that with a relativily low injury impact. Other than the negative nancies, the consense evaluation of the Cardinals going into this season was to finish a few games over .500. As they regressed towards the mean it looked like that was right about where a mediocre team would land. After the Cardinals realized they were sellers and traded some of their better pieces for prospects, their winning percentage dropped as expected.

Through all this, as to the topic of this thread, Marmol should be evaluated. My opinion is that Marmol has cost this team about five games. First, his pitching staff management is terrible. He operates by a playbook and seldom gives credence to in-the-moment decisions based on his feel for the moment. The stats might say that this lefty gives up a high hit rate to batters such as this, but insight says the lefty has great command tonight, this hitter is pressing, and momentum is building on our side so leave him in in spite of the playbook. TLR leaves him in; Marmol takes him out. If this needs more explanation I'll be more than happy to provide it. Also, this team has a lot of fundamental flaws. That isn't only on Marmol but the entire staff. It's September and the Cardinals are still making boneheaded mistakes more expeted to see in February and March. Lastly, do the players really have faith and trust in Marmol, not only for the team but their individual roles?

more expected to be seen in the minors, the low minors

Bomber1 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:46 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:20 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:13 am Marmol doesn’t make enough money for any decision on his employment to be about saving money.

That’s a shallow out.

Lol.

My point was I hope, if they do retain him, it’s not because of cost.

As you said, Oli doesn’t make that much. It would fiscally better to keep him instead of paying him + paying the new manager.

Got it, sport?

Basil didn’t quote you, you insecure dick.

Follow the conversation, Cletus.

I do believe that one of the premises of having Marmot as teacher was his ability to "teach" players in the minors.

Based on performance of Gorman, Walker, Pallante, Fernandez, et al they have not progressed to ML quality players. IF not hitting, defense, pitching what is so frickin valuable he brings to the table??

Keeping Marmot and his incompetence means it is just another throw away year in 2026. It will take a competent manager at least 3 months to undo Marmots lack of MLB knowledge.

Saggese hitting clean-up today, yet another example of Oli's brilliant managing.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:36 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:28 am

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:23 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:20 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑14 Sep 2025 10:13 am Marmol doesn’t make enough money for any decision on his employment to be about saving money.

That’s a shallow out.

Lol.

My point was I hope, if they do retain him, it’s not because of cost.

As you said, Oli doesn’t make that much. It would fiscally better to keep him instead of paying him + paying the new manager.

Got it, sport?

Managers generally don't make a lot, so the salary isn't going to break anyone.

You’re talking about an org whose big signing was Maton for 1.2 million.

Also, about managers not making a lot, google Francona and Counsell.

Stay on topic

Google “Oliver Marmol contract”

You are the epitome of distraction and moving goal post.

That poster is lost. Reading comprehension problems combined with distraction.

Hochman is a booty sniffer.

Bloom starts a new era of Cardinals baseball. I would like to see him start with a new Mgr. My picks would be Matt Holliday, Don Mattingly or Jason Varitek. I think Matt may be interested since both sons are professional now and Mo is gone. Marmol could move into the front office in some other capacity or just be released to find another job.

I'm not watching until Oli the moping Marmot racist is gone.

Let's Go Blues!!!!!

Chat GPT estimates Marmol's salary between 3 and 4 million annually.