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Re: Winn done for year !!
Posted: 13 Sep 2025 10:44 am
by bccardsfan
Melville wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 10:33 am
12xu wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 10:21 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 10:13 am
A torn meniscus (I have had 3) does not put the knee at any greater risk.
It is nothing more than cartilage that has become loose.
The cleanup process is not invasive, and the full recovery period is a matter of several weeks.
It simply reduces discomfort and inflammation.
The structural integrity of the knee is not impacted.
No damage would have been done by Winn continuing to play and having the procedure in October or November, rather than September, would have had zero impact on being ready for spring training.
This is about nothing more than STL, having thrown in the towel on the 2025 season several weeks ago, simply allowing Winn to start his off-season a bit earlier and giving a few more PA's to others.
Non-story.
Will Walking on a Torn Meniscus Make It Worse?
By Levo Health February 20, 2025 Blog, Knee Doctor, Pain Symptoms & Treatment, Sports Injury
Will Walking on a Torn Meniscus Make It Worse
A torn meniscus is one of the most common knee injuries, often caused by twisting motions, sudden stops, or deep bending of the knee. Whether you’ve suffered a tear from sports, exercise, or daily activities, you may be wondering: will walking on a torn meniscus make it worse? The answer is yes; walking on a torn meniscus can make it worse, especially if it causes pain or swelling.
Exactly what I said.
It is only about discomfort and inflammation.
Which is all the procedure addresses.
It is orthoscopic and takes minutes.
Has nothing at all to do with the structural integrity of the knee.
Meniscus is nothing more than soft tissue - it is not structural like ligaments (ACL, LCL, MCL, PCL) are.
I have torn an MLC and an LCL - and have twice completley ruptured an ACL).
Those are very significant injuries and full recovery takes months.
A meniscus tear is nothing by comparison.
The answer is "it depends". Mel is correct that a slight tear is peanuts and they just shave it. Not in the same universe as MCL, ACL, etc... I have had three simple surgeries for the meniscus. That said, there are certain tears, where if there is enough blood flow to the area, they will repair the tear and it can actually heal. You cannot regrow meniscus, so once trimmed, it is gone forever. The repair operation is still very simple, but takes longer to heal. The advantage is you still have that part of the meniscus in your knee. You do not want to lose too much or you risk bone on bone contact as you age. I am 68 and still very active, but I quit running in my mid 50's to avoid more wear and tear on the knees. I simply do other things like cycle and XC ski in the winter. But Winn is a pro athlete and will be pounding on that knee for a decade or more. So if they can stitch the meniscus they will. If a tiny tear on the edge, then they will trim. It all depends. Playing on in would risk a larger tear. He may have the sort they will stitch. None of us know. Regardless, he will be full speed in 3-8 weeks depending on which sort of surgery he has and there will be no problem next season. He should be working out hard by the end of the calendar year.
Re: Winn done for year !!
Posted: 13 Sep 2025 10:46 am
by scoutyjones2
Winn wanted to keep playing
Re: Winn done for year !!
Posted: 13 Sep 2025 10:51 am
by Melville
AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 09:59 am
good, he needs to heal and get healthy for next season, no this one. playing him hurt was stupid, but nothing shocks me with this ownership
A torn meniscus does not heal.
The tissue does not regenerate because it has no blood supply.
These procedures are simply minor cleanups which reduce discomfort and inflammation by removing a bit of loose soft tissue.
Playing may have been mildly uncomfortable but there is no risk of doing structural damage that would compromise the strength of the knee.
Re: Winn done for year !!
Posted: 13 Sep 2025 10:53 am
by Melville
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 10:46 am
Winn wanted to keep playing
And could have without risk.
Re: Winn done for year !!
Posted: 13 Sep 2025 10:56 am
by 12xu
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 10:46 am
Winn wanted to keep playing
Yes, and his dedication to keep playing for the benefit of his team is commendable. Still, it was not the prudent approach for the team to allow him to continue at this stage of the game.
Re: Winn done for year !!
Posted: 13 Sep 2025 11:06 am
by Melville
bccardsfan wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 10:44 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 10:33 am
12xu wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 10:21 am
Melville wrote: ↑13 Sep 2025 10:13 am
A torn meniscus (I have had 3) does not put the knee at any greater risk.
It is nothing more than cartilage that has become loose.
The cleanup process is not invasive, and the full recovery period is a matter of several weeks.
It simply reduces discomfort and inflammation.
The structural integrity of the knee is not impacted.
No damage would have been done by Winn continuing to play and having the procedure in October or November, rather than September, would have had zero impact on being ready for spring training.
This is about nothing more than STL, having thrown in the towel on the 2025 season several weeks ago, simply allowing Winn to start his off-season a bit earlier and giving a few more PA's to others.
Non-story.
Will Walking on a Torn Meniscus Make It Worse?
By Levo Health February 20, 2025 Blog, Knee Doctor, Pain Symptoms & Treatment, Sports Injury
Will Walking on a Torn Meniscus Make It Worse
A torn meniscus is one of the most common knee injuries, often caused by twisting motions, sudden stops, or deep bending of the knee. Whether you’ve suffered a tear from sports, exercise, or daily activities, you may be wondering: will walking on a torn meniscus make it worse? The answer is yes; walking on a torn meniscus can make it worse, especially if it causes pain or swelling.
Exactly what I said.
It is only about discomfort and inflammation.
Which is all the procedure addresses.
It is orthoscopic and takes minutes.
Has nothing at all to do with the structural integrity of the knee.
Meniscus is nothing more than soft tissue - it is not structural like ligaments (ACL, LCL, MCL, PCL) are.
I have torn an MLC and an LCL - and have twice completley ruptured an ACL).
Those are very significant injuries and full recovery takes months.
A meniscus tear is nothing by comparison.
The answer is "it depends". Mel is correct that a slight tear is peanuts and they just shave it. Not in the same universe as MCL, ACL, etc... I have had three simple surgeries for the meniscus. That said, there are certain tears, where if there is enough blood flow to the area, they will repair the tear and it can actually heal. You cannot regrow meniscus, so once trimmed, it is gone forever. The repair operation is still very simple, but takes longer to heal. The advantage is you still have that part of the meniscus in your knee. You do not want to lose too much or you risk bone on bone contact as you age. I am 68 and still very active, but I quit running in my mid 50's to avoid more wear and tear on the knees. I simply do other things like cycle and XC ski in the winter. But Winn is a pro athlete and will be pounding on that knee for a decade or more. So if they can stitch the meniscus they will. If a tiny tear on the edge, then they will trim. It all depends. Playing on in would risk a larger tear. He may have the sort they will stitch. None of us know. Regardless, he will be full speed in 3-8 weeks depending on which sort of surgery he has and there will be no problem next season. He should be working out hard by the end of the calendar year.
This is pretty much correct.
I have hade meniscus tissue removed a couple of times.
And have had an attempted stitch repair - which failed to hold after a period of time.
The tissue has no direct blood supply and therefore cannot "heal".
Researchers have been trying for decades to "grow" replacement cartilage (which is what the meniscus is) without success.
A meniscus tear can cause discomfort and inflammation - but that's about it.
Athletes play and perform well for many, many years.
My own exercise of choices now are golf and swimming - neither of which require no extreme pounding of my knee joints and my meniscus issues do not limit me in any way - and I can still hike mountain trails with no limitations.
Winn's meniscus is a non-issue, a non-story.
Re: Winn done for year !!
Posted: 13 Sep 2025 11:09 am
by Cusecards
I admire Winn for trying to gut it out to help the team.
I think most could see this coming.
And I also don’t see it as that big of a deal. He’ll get his cleanup and most likely be good to go well in advance of 2026.
Re: Winn done for year !!
Posted: 13 Sep 2025 11:12 am
by Absolut
Entire team is done for year. Why should he be different
Re: Winn done for year !!
Posted: 13 Sep 2025 12:43 pm
by ScotchMIrish
I didn't buy the earlier report than the medical staff said he could do no further damage by playing with the slight tear.