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ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:37 am ...and had a 72-75 record compared to the Pythagoreanan 69-78, and doing it with a FO that divested in the team last offseason, Mr. Girardi would be so celebrated on Cards Talk.

"Just give'em a good roster to work with!"


I want Bloom to change managers in 2026. I think we need a fresh approach. But unlike many CTers, I don't think 99% of the issues on the 2025 team are a result of Marmol's mismanagement.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:37 am ...and had a 72-75 record compared to the Pythagoreanan 69-78, and doing it with a FO that divested in the team last offseason, Mr. Girardi would be so celebrated on Cards Talk.

"Just give'em a good roster to work with!"


I want Bloom to change managers in 2026. I think we need a fresh approach. But unlike many CTers, I don't think 99% of the issues on the 2025 team are a result of Marmol's mismanagement.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 13:33 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:27 am

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:13 am

The Nard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:02 am Sooner or later, any sports team acquires the characteristics of its manager and field coaching staff. Whether they “out performed” expectations or not at 3 games under .500 is really not the issue. Despite occasional exhibitions of fire, this team lacks a purpose and togetherness, keeps drifting, does stupid things on the field without any accountability.

I don’t see Marmol as the manager to turn this ream around, long term.

A new, field manager like Girardi would provide many of those things. Now, he may still produce a 3-game under record, but it’d be a more exciting team, giving hope for the future, and could draw concerns from any opponent they meet.

Managers come and go, and many have been let go for lesser reasons than Marmol has.

Yep, they will have to have a new manager before they rewrite the culture they had this year and last where winning wasn't important. Marmol is not going to be the one to walk in the clubhouse and clap his hands and say alright boys it's time.

Who says winning wasn’t important?

Are you even serious?

How about Marmol’s boss who said “I don’t want him to feel pressure to win.”

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:53 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 13:33 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:27 am

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:13 am

The Nard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:02 am Sooner or later, any sports team acquires the characteristics of its manager and field coaching staff. Whether they “out performed” expectations or not at 3 games under .500 is really not the issue. Despite occasional exhibitions of fire, this team lacks a purpose and togetherness, keeps drifting, does stupid things on the field without any accountability.

I don’t see Marmol as the manager to turn this ream around, long term.

A new, field manager like Girardi would provide many of those things. Now, he may still produce a 3-game under record, but it’d be a more exciting team, giving hope for the future, and could draw concerns from any opponent they meet.

Managers come and go, and many have been let go for lesser reasons than Marmol has.

Yep, they will have to have a new manager before they rewrite the culture they had this year and last where winning wasn't important. Marmol is not going to be the one to walk in the clubhouse and clap his hands and say alright boys it's time.

Who says winning wasn’t important?

Are you even serious?

How about Marmol’s boss who said “I don’t want him to feel pressure to win.”

Not to mention numerous post-game pressers where Marmol himself talks about winning not being a priority.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:37 am ...and had a 72-75 record compared to the Pythagoreanan 69-78, and doing it with a FO that divested in the team last offseason, Mr. Girardi would be so celebrated on Cards Talk.

"Just give'em a good roster to work with!"


I want Bloom to change managers in 2026. I think we need a fresh approach. But unlike many CTers, I don't think 99% of the issues on the 2025 team are a result of Marmol's mismanagement.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:55 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:53 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 13:33 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:27 am

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:13 am

The Nard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:02 am Sooner or later, any sports team acquires the characteristics of its manager and field coaching staff. Whether they “out performed” expectations or not at 3 games under .500 is really not the issue. Despite occasional exhibitions of fire, this team lacks a purpose and togetherness, keeps drifting, does stupid things on the field without any accountability.

I don’t see Marmol as the manager to turn this ream around, long term.

A new, field manager like Girardi would provide many of those things. Now, he may still produce a 3-game under record, but it’d be a more exciting team, giving hope for the future, and could draw concerns from any opponent they meet.

Managers come and go, and many have been let go for lesser reasons than Marmol has.

Yep, they will have to have a new manager before they rewrite the culture they had this year and last where winning wasn't important. Marmol is not going to be the one to walk in the clubhouse and clap his hands and say alright boys it's time.

Who says winning wasn’t important?

Are you even serious?

How about Marmol’s boss who said “I don’t want him to feel pressure to win.”

Not to mention numerous post-game pressers where Marmol himself talks about winning not being a priority.

And wouldn't you know it. The offense and starting pitching are at the bottom 1/4 of the league and the team is 3 game under...

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:30 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:37 am ...and had a 72-75 record compared to the Pythagoreanan 69-78, and doing it with a FO that divested in the team last offseason, Mr. Girardi would be so celebrated on Cards Talk.

"Just give'em a good roster to work with!"


I want Bloom to change managers in 2026. I think we need a fresh approach. But unlike many CTers, I don't think 99% of the issues on the 2025 team are a result of Marmol's mismanagement.

Joe Girardi? That's the name you pull out to make some ridiculous statement? That guy hasn't managed in 3 years.

Pretty sure Matheny and Shildt were grilled on here as well. Were you making similar threads then?

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:32 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:55 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:53 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 13:33 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:27 am

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:13 am

The Nard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:02 am Sooner or later, any sports team acquires the characteristics of its manager and field coaching staff. Whether they “out performed” expectations or not at 3 games under .500 is really not the issue. Despite occasional exhibitions of fire, this team lacks a purpose and togetherness, keeps drifting, does stupid things on the field without any accountability.

I don’t see Marmol as the manager to turn this ream around, long term.

A new, field manager like Girardi would provide many of those things. Now, he may still produce a 3-game under record, but it’d be a more exciting team, giving hope for the future, and could draw concerns from any opponent they meet.

Managers come and go, and many have been let go for lesser reasons than Marmol has.

Yep, they will have to have a new manager before they rewrite the culture they had this year and last where winning wasn't important. Marmol is not going to be the one to walk in the clubhouse and clap his hands and say alright boys it's time.

Who says winning wasn’t important?

Are you even serious?

How about Marmol’s boss who said “I don’t want him to feel pressure to win.”

Not to mention numerous post-game pressers where Marmol himself talks about winning not being a priority.

And wouldn't you know it. The offense and starting pitching are at the bottom 1/4 of the league and the team is 3 game under...

There are a select few bottom feeder teams with a drastically worse winning percentage. The difference between bottom 1/4 (7.5 teams?) and bottom 3rd, where we live, is a fine line.

If you think that proves he’s some kind of overachiever, then you sound more like an apologist than objective.

He’s a good man and probably a good teacher and friend, so I hope they keep him. And put him in the minors so he can mentor the boys with fragile egos who have not yet learned accountability as men.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:33 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:30 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:37 am ...and had a 72-75 record compared to the Pythagoreanan 69-78, and doing it with a FO that divested in the team last offseason, Mr. Girardi would be so celebrated on Cards Talk.

"Just give'em a good roster to work with!"


I want Bloom to change managers in 2026. I think we need a fresh approach. But unlike many CTers, I don't think 99% of the issues on the 2025 team are a result of Marmol's mismanagement.

Joe Girardi? That's the name you pull out to make some ridiculous statement? That guy hasn't managed in 3 years.

Pretty sure Matheny and Shildt were grilled on here as well. Were you making similar threads then?

Simple question: if JG were there manager, and the team was playing three games over what the data think they would be, what would be the sentiment on CT?

And JG hasn’t managed in ONLY three years. It’s not like I named Gene Mauch.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:33 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:30 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:37 am ...and had a 72-75 record compared to the Pythagoreanan 69-78, and doing it with a FO that divested in the team last offseason, Mr. Girardi would be so celebrated on Cards Talk.

"Just give'em a good roster to work with!"


I want Bloom to change managers in 2026. I think we need a fresh approach. But unlike many CTers, I don't think 99% of the issues on the 2025 team are a result of Marmol's mismanagement.

Joe Girardi? That's the name you pull out to make some ridiculous statement? That guy hasn't managed in 3 years.

Pretty sure Matheny and Shildt were grilled on here as well. Were you making similar threads then?

Simple question: if JG were there manager, and the team was playing three games over what the data think they would be, what would be the sentiment on CT?

And JG hasn’t managed in ONLY three years. It’s not like I named Gene Mauch.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:37 am ...and had a 72-75 record compared to the Pythagoreanan 69-78, and doing it with a FO that divested in the team last offseason, Mr. Girardi would be so celebrated on Cards Talk.

"Just give'em a good roster to work with!"


I want Bloom to change managers in 2026. I think we need a fresh approach. But unlike many CTers, I don't think 99% of the issues on the 2025 team are a result of Marmol's mismanagement.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:36 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:32 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:55 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:53 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 13:33 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:27 am

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:13 am

The Nard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:02 am Sooner or later, any sports team acquires the characteristics of its manager and field coaching staff. Whether they “out performed” expectations or not at 3 games under .500 is really not the issue. Despite occasional exhibitions of fire, this team lacks a purpose and togetherness, keeps drifting, does stupid things on the field without any accountability.

I don’t see Marmol as the manager to turn this ream around, long term.

A new, field manager like Girardi would provide many of those things. Now, he may still produce a 3-game under record, but it’d be a more exciting team, giving hope for the future, and could draw concerns from any opponent they meet.

Managers come and go, and many have been let go for lesser reasons than Marmol has.

Yep, they will have to have a new manager before they rewrite the culture they had this year and last where winning wasn't important. Marmol is not going to be the one to walk in the clubhouse and clap his hands and say alright boys it's time.

Who says winning wasn’t important?

Are you even serious?

How about Marmol’s boss who said “I don’t want him to feel pressure to win.”

Not to mention numerous post-game pressers where Marmol himself talks about winning not being a priority.

And wouldn't you know it. The offense and starting pitching are at the bottom 1/4 of the league and the team is 3 game under...

There are a select few bottom feeder teams with a drastically worse winning percentage. The difference between bottom 1/4 (7.5 teams?) and bottom 3rd, where we live, is a fine line.

If you think that proves he’s some kind of overachiever, then you sound more like an apologist than objective.

He’s a good man and probably a good teacher and friend, so I hope they keep him. And put him in the minors so he can mentor the boys with fragile egos who have not yet learned accountability as men.

My hypothetical in the OP was a simple question.

And as I stated in my OP, I wasn’t a change in managers

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 22:04 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:36 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:32 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:55 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 19:53 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 13:33 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:27 am

imadangman wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:13 am

The Nard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:02 am Sooner or later, any sports team acquires the characteristics of its manager and field coaching staff. Whether they “out performed” expectations or not at 3 games under .500 is really not the issue. Despite occasional exhibitions of fire, this team lacks a purpose and togetherness, keeps drifting, does stupid things on the field without any accountability.

I don’t see Marmol as the manager to turn this ream around, long term.

A new, field manager like Girardi would provide many of those things. Now, he may still produce a 3-game under record, but it’d be a more exciting team, giving hope for the future, and could draw concerns from any opponent they meet.

Managers come and go, and many have been let go for lesser reasons than Marmol has.

Yep, they will have to have a new manager before they rewrite the culture they had this year and last where winning wasn't important. Marmol is not going to be the one to walk in the clubhouse and clap his hands and say alright boys it's time.

Who says winning wasn’t important?

Are you even serious?

How about Marmol’s boss who said “I don’t want him to feel pressure to win.”

Not to mention numerous post-game pressers where Marmol himself talks about winning not being a priority.

And wouldn't you know it. The offense and starting pitching are at the bottom 1/4 of the league and the team is 3 game under...

There are a select few bottom feeder teams with a drastically worse winning percentage. The difference between bottom 1/4 (7.5 teams?) and bottom 3rd, where we live, is a fine line.

If you think that proves he’s some kind of overachiever, then you sound more like an apologist than objective.

He’s a good man and probably a good teacher and friend, so I hope they keep him. And put him in the minors so he can mentor the boys with fragile egos who have not yet learned accountability as men.

My hypothetical in the OP was a simple question.

And as I stated in my OP, I wasn’t a change in managers

Fair. The discussion got a little derailed away from your hypothetical and into Marmol criticism.

As far as your OP, I think another manager would unfairly get more of a pass. Oli and Mo fatigue has set in and the losing has us previously spoiled fans a little agitated.

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:25 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:37 am ...and had a 72-75 record compared to the Pythagoreanan 69-78, and doing it with a FO that divested in the team last offseason, Mr. Girardi would be so celebrated on Cards Talk.

"Just give'em a good roster to work with!"


I want Bloom to change managers in 2026. I think we need a fresh approach. But unlike many CTers, I don't think 99% of the issues on the 2025 team are a result of Marmol's mismanagement.

If Girardi were manager I suspect this team would be over .500. But play your fantasy games all you want.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 13:43 pm

45s wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 10:44 am

bccardsfan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:38 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 09:37 am ...and had a 72-75 record compared to the Pythagoreanan 69-78, and doing it with a FO that divested in the team last offseason, Mr. Girardi would be so celebrated on Cards Talk.

"Just give'em a good roster to work with!"


I want Bloom to change managers in 2026. I think we need a fresh approach. But unlike many CTers, I don't think 99% of the issues on the 2025 team are a result of Marmol's mismanagement.

I agree, but it is all a matter of culture and attitude. I want a manager who instills a winning attitude, strong fundamental play, etc.. I don't want a guy who jokes with the team when they are down 10 runs....

did you condemn wainwright when he was seen yukking it up on the bench when the club was getting blown out??

Yes. And also when he decided it would be cool to hit, and the same useless manager thought that was a good idea.