What's the purpose of Nootbaar and Arenado going into next season?

[HorseTrader]

They are not going to eat $37 mill. Is he great - no but he is playable. So we are stuck with him, I'd use him more as a bench/utility guy. He said he'd be willing to play 1b, so move him around PH, DH, 3rd, and 1st. After next season he will be owed $15 mill, that you can eat.

They don’t get it. The pointless discussion will continue until the contract is up unless NA or one of the teams he identified changes their minds. It’s not up to Bloom, but that won’t stop them from saying Bloom HAS to trade him or MUST trade him! As if it will happen because they demand it, with caps lock on.

There’s really only one talking point on the NA conundrum. Would the Cardinals relegate him to a bench role?

Maybe, but that sounds close to eating $$ which BDW doesn’t do. Also could be a deterrent to other free agents, especially those over thirty. Which we probably shouldn’t be signing anyway.

No you don't get it.

You geniuses really believe he's going to be relegated to a bench role?

His replacement is basically Wetherholt regardless what position he plays making league minimum.

The money is already lost.

I'm telling what they should do if they're really interested in improving the team as I said in my above post if anyone bothered to read it.

Blocking a potential future piece from developing doesn't do that.

It's not nearly as impossible as you might think to move him and not foot the whole bill if he knows the alternatve.

No one is against him being traded. People are basically facing the reality that it might not happen and probably won't eat $37 mill, I understand the money is lost for the most parting. Maybe trading him you save a little. Really in a trade you probably have to take back another bad contract.

[scoutyjones2]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

if he wont accept a trade, release him

he serves no purpose here, but to block others who could be getting looks. He's a pay check player who gives no cares about winning. He could find a whole new team to find golfing buddies.

Who is Nado blocking at 3b?

[CorneliusWolfe]

They are not going to eat $37 mill. Is he great - no but he is playable. So we are stuck with him, I'd use him more as a bench/utility guy. He said he'd be willing to play 1b, so move him around PH, DH, 3rd, and 1st. After next season he will be owed $15 mill, that you can eat.

They don’t get it. The pointless discussion will continue until the contract is up unless NA or one of the teams he identified changes their minds. It’s not up to Bloom, but that won’t stop them from saying Bloom HAS to trade him or MUST trade him! As if it will happen because they demand it, with caps lock on.

There’s really only one talking point on the NA conundrum. Would the Cardinals relegate him to a bench role?

Maybe, but that sounds close to eating $$ which BDW doesn’t do. Also could be a deterrent to other free agents, especially those over thirty. Which we probably shouldn’t be signing anyway.

No you don't get it.

You geniuses really believe he's going to be relegated to a bench role?

His replacement is basically Wetherholt regardless what position he plays making league minimum.

The money is already lost.

I'm telling what they should do if they're really interested in improving the team as I said in my above post if anyone bothered to read it.

Blocking a potential future piece from developing doesn't do that.

It's not nearly as impossible as you might think to move him and not foot the whole bill if he knows the alternatve.

I actually don’t think he’ll be relegated to a bench role. I said it is the only topic that can even be discussed because he can’t be traded. I also said it’s too much like eating $$ so I doubted it would happen. It didn’t happen last year even with the public proclamation that it was priority 1, 2, and 3. Guess Mo forgot what leverage means.

I also posted before you so I didn’t see your Noot trade suggestion. I’m all for that, Donovan, and even NA…but with the latter, he has all the leverage and don’t get posters saying Bloom HAS to move him, as if he has a choice.

[butsir01]

Having those two on the club matches wearing a hair shirt or self-flagellation.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

So you want to trade the less valuable guy for a less valuable pitcher? How many low level pitchers does this team meed? If you want to trade [shirt] for [shirt] trade Burleson.

And for the millionth f’ing time, NA has a NO trade clause. Not a trade clause, a NO trade clause. Doesn’t matter what you want Bloom to do or what he wants to do. Say it with me….NO…TRADE…CLAUSE.

Baseball Trade Values has Donovan worth $23.4M and Nootbaar at $20.2M. They are about equal. One of them does need to be traded. They both have 2 years left in arbitration.

With Wetherholt coming on soon and Gorman/Arenado still around, I think I would trade Donovan actually. He has more value as a middle infielder, but the Cardinals seem to be destined to shift him to OF.

I would look to move one of Herrera or Burleson as well. They are rather redundant.

Agree on all. And I can tell you understand the meaning of leverage when it comes to trading Arenado. That is rare for some reason.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

if he wont accept a trade, release him

he serves no purpose here, but to block others who could be getting looks. He's a pay check player who gives no cares about winning. He could find a whole new team to find golfing buddies.

Who is Nado blocking at 3b?

Anyone who can play the position going forward.

[scoutyjones2]

Bloom really needs to move them for pitching help. Obviously, Donovan would return more. But Nootbaar is the one to move.

if he wont accept a trade, release him

he serves no purpose here, but to block others who could be getting looks. He's a pay check player who gives no cares about winning. He could find a whole new team to find golfing buddies.

Who is Nado blocking at 3b?

Anyone who can play the position going forward.

Who is Nado blocking at 3b?

[IndCard75]

Dewitt’s arent eating a bunch of money and Arenado has a NTC. He will be very difficult to trade. Hopefully once healthy his bat rebounds to a respectable level. His defense is already better than Gorman.

Donovan and Noot are your trade pieces. Move them two for whatever pitching you can get plus it clears space on roster.
Available money also goes towards pitching.

In 2026 Walker goes to AAA until he can hit consistently.

Wetherholt 2B
Herrera LF
Burly RF
WC 1B
NA 3B
Winn SS
Gorman DH
Pages C
Scott CF

[sikeston bulldog2]

Dewitt’s arent eating a bunch of money and Arenado has a NTC. He will be very difficult to trade. Hopefully once healthy his bat rebounds to a respectable level. His defense is already better than Gorman.

Donovan and Noot are your trade pieces. Move them two for whatever pitching you can get plus it clears space on roster.
Available money also goes towards pitching.

In 2026 Walker goes to AAA until he can hit consistently.

Wetherholt 2B
Herrera LF
Burly RF
WC 1B
NA 3B
Winn SS
Gorman DH
Pages C
Scott CF

Arenado will win me more games with his glove and no bat, than Gorman will with all bat and no glove.

[ForumPolice]

They can't move Arenado. The soccer mom contingent loves him. You know the same ones that wanted the Cardinals to sign Molina to another 5-year deal?

[RunSup]

Getting to the OP point,

Trade Burleson. Keep Nootbar who actually gives plus defense.

1 problem solved.

[Shady]

Getting to the OP point,

Trade Burleson. Keep Nootbar who actually gives plus defense.

1 problem solved.

Burleson would bring more in a trade than Nootbaar. However, I suspect the Cardinals' organaization values Burleson's hitting for the next few seasons more than Nootbaar's defense.

[NYCardsFan]

Getting to the OP point,

Trade Burleson. Keep Nootbar who actually gives plus defense.

1 problem solved.

Burleson would bring more in a trade than Nootbaar. However, I suspect the organaization values Burleson's hitting for the next few seasons more than Nootbaar's defense.

How do you know that?

FWIW, per BTV:
Nootbaar: 18.4
Burleson: 11.1

[IndCard75]

If Noot and Burly contract/age status was the same I would keep Noot trade Burly. But since they aren’t I would trade Noot. Also Burly can fill in at 1B some. Church can come in late in game for OF defense. Noot probably gets you a better piece back in trade.

[Bomber1]

Getting to the OP point,

Trade Burleson. Keep Nootbar who actually gives plus defense.

1 problem solved.

Disagree, unless Nootbaar is a 4th outfielder.

He’s going to be 28 years old. The more he plays the less he hits.

4th full year as the anointed LF starter and he still won’t hit 15 HR or have 50 RBI despite the most PA of his lackluster career.

[RunSup]

Getting to the OP point,

Trade Burleson. Keep Nootbar who actually gives plus defense.

1 problem solved.

Disagree, unless Nootbaar is a 4th outfielder.

He’s going to be 28 years old. The more he plays the less he hits.

4th full year as the anointed LF starter and he still won’t hit 15 HR or have 50 RBI despite the most PA of his lackluster career.

So who do you think are the legit starting outfielders are on this team in 2026? Seems that they are all 4th OFers.

Burleson is not legit defensively. He's hiding in LF for a bat against RHP.

That said starting pitching is the priority. Otherwise a really really bad team.