Gutted out 2 wins this weekend

[stlbirdlover]

Solidifying the rotation for 2026 will be the key.
If Bloom can....this team can compete for a playoff berth.

They could use a 30+ HR bat too!

[Ozziesfan41]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

[renostl]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

[Whatashame]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

There is nothing easy about this. The lineup they ran out there this weekend was a sub major league group. Where was the offense going to come from with these players. A 160 lb SS hitting cleanup. A minor leaguer at 3B (Saggese), a minor leaguer at 2B (Fermin), a RF who hadn’t had a hit in a week (Walker), alternating between light hitting outfielders (Scott and Church) sometimes playing both together. You don’t think SF left here scratching their heads about dropping the 2 games to the Cardinals and wondering how they gave up the runs they did to this team?

No one is saying that the bullpen hasn’t done its job but the starters have been a below average group. Hoping for a lead after 5 with this starting group and the lack of offensive production is a stretch at best. The lineup the Cardinals ran out there this weekend was abysmal.

[Ozziesfan41]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

Yes easy when you have a lead and a great bullpen you win it’s not hard to figure out. The giants are a .500 team also very mediocre and people are acting like they are an awesome team. Sure they got hot but they arent going to keep that going anymore than the cardinals were going to keep winning like they did in may. The giants are one game over .500 and people are acting like they beat a great baseball team and it’s shocking they ran a guy out there with a 7.00 era today they’re lucky he went 5 and gave up just 4 runs

[renostl]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

There is nothing easy about this. The lineup they ran out there this weekend was a sub major league group. Where was the offense going to come from with these players. A 160 lb SS hitting cleanup. A minor leaguer at 3B (Saggese), a minor leaguer at 2B (Fermin), a RF who hadn’t had a hit in a week (Walker), alternating between light hitting outfielders (Scott and Church) sometimes playing both together. You don’t think SF left here scratching their heads about dropping the 2 games to the Cardinals and wondering how they gave up the runs they did to this team?

No one is saying that the bullpen hasn’t done its job but the starters have been a below average group. Hoping for a lead after 5 with this starting group and the lack of offensive production is a stretch at best. The lineup the Cardinals ran out there this weekend was abysmal.

Yeah, I'm not sure that I understand the other
POV.
To be fair SF is a .500 team too. That also sold BP
pieces at the TD.

[Ozziesfan41]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

There is nothing easy about this. The lineup they ran out there this weekend was a sub major league group. Where was the offense going to come from with these players. A 160 lb SS hitting cleanup. A minor leaguer at 3B (Saggese), a minor leaguer at 2B (Fermin), a RF who hadn’t had a hit in a week (Walker), alternating between light hitting outfielders (Scott and Church) sometimes playing both together. You don’t think SF left here scratching their heads about dropping the 2 games to the Cardinals and wondering how they gave up the runs they did to this team?

No one is saying that the bullpen hasn’t done its job but the starters have been a below average group. Hoping for a lead after 5 with this starting group and the lack of offensive production is a stretch at best. The lineup the Cardinals ran out there this weekend was abysmal.

Yeah, I'm not sure that I understand the other
POV.
To be fair SF is a .500 team too. That also sold BP
pieces at the TD.

It’s just not shocking to me that one .500 team beat another .500 team. I was more shocked the Rockies spanked the cardinals the way they did more than the cardinals taking 2 of 3 from a .500 team

[renostl]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

Yes easy when you have a lead and a great bullpen you win it’s not hard to figure out. The giants are a .500 team also very mediocre and people are acting like they are an awesome team. Sure they got hot but they arent going to keep that going anymore than the cardinals were going to keep winning like they did in may. The giants are one game over .500 and people are acting like they beat a great baseball team and it’s shocking they ran a guy out there with a 7.00 era today they’re lucky he went 5 and gave up just 4 runs

I agree with the opinion of the. Giants.

I don’t think people are calling it any more than a couple very nice wins with less than the Cards normal .500 personal on the field. Objectively Contreras, Donovan, and Burleson are a large portion of why the Cardinals are. 500.

The BP is solid, and has maintained well after the deadline however it's a bit less than it was. Although
Helsley might have been good to have replaced.

[renostl]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

There is nothing easy about this. The lineup they ran out there this weekend was a sub major league group. Where was the offense going to come from with these players. A 160 lb SS hitting cleanup. A minor leaguer at 3B (Saggese), a minor leaguer at 2B (Fermin), a RF who hadn’t had a hit in a week (Walker), alternating between light hitting outfielders (Scott and Church) sometimes playing both together. You don’t think SF left here scratching their heads about dropping the 2 games to the Cardinals and wondering how they gave up the runs they did to this team?

No one is saying that the bullpen hasn’t done its job but the starters have been a below average group. Hoping for a lead after 5 with this starting group and the lack of offensive production is a stretch at best. The lineup the Cardinals ran out there this weekend was abysmal.

Yeah, I'm not sure that I understand the other
POV.
To be fair SF is a .500 team too. That also sold BP
pieces at the TD.

It’s just not shocking to me that one .500 team beat another .500 team. I was more shocked the Rockies spanked the cardinals the way they did more than the cardinals taking 2 of 3 from a .500 team

No regular season baseball results are shocking.
Very few post season results are.

[Ozziesfan41]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

There is nothing easy about this. The lineup they ran out there this weekend was a sub major league group. Where was the offense going to come from with these players. A 160 lb SS hitting cleanup. A minor leaguer at 3B (Saggese), a minor leaguer at 2B (Fermin), a RF who hadn’t had a hit in a week (Walker), alternating between light hitting outfielders (Scott and Church) sometimes playing both together. You don’t think SF left here scratching their heads about dropping the 2 games to the Cardinals and wondering how they gave up the runs they did to this team?

No one is saying that the bullpen hasn’t done its job but the starters have been a below average group. Hoping for a lead after 5 with this starting group and the lack of offensive production is a stretch at best. The lineup the Cardinals ran out there this weekend was abysmal.

Yeah, I'm not sure that I understand the other
POV.
To be fair SF is a .500 team too. That also sold BP
pieces at the TD.

It’s just not shocking to me that one .500 team beat another .500 team. I was more shocked the Rockies spanked the cardinals the way they did more than the cardinals taking 2 of 3 from a .500 team

No regular season baseball results are shocking.
Very few post season results are.

This I agree with

[Cardinals4Life]

Against a red hot Giants team

This team should not be a .500 team and yet they are. They may not have the "talent" but they have the WILL and WANT to compete and win every day.

I'd hate to say it, but I think that reflects more on the manager than anything. Oli has them going out there and competing on a daily basis since they all-star break.

This team has SUCKED, especially since the ASB. Give me a break!

[Cardinals4Life]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

There is nothing easy about this. The lineup they ran out there this weekend was a sub major league group. Where was the offense going to come from with these players. A 160 lb SS hitting cleanup. A minor leaguer at 3B (Saggese), a minor leaguer at 2B (Fermin), a RF who hadn’t had a hit in a week (Walker), alternating between light hitting outfielders (Scott and Church) sometimes playing both together. You don’t think SF left here scratching their heads about dropping the 2 games to the Cardinals and wondering how they gave up the runs they did to this team?

No one is saying that the bullpen hasn’t done its job but the starters have been a below average group. Hoping for a lead after 5 with this starting group and the lack of offensive production is a stretch at best. The lineup the Cardinals ran out there this weekend was abysmal.

San Fran sucks too.

[rockondlouie]

17 games out of 1st place in Central is competing ???

One of 2 NL teams that are 7-3 in last 10.

4.5 out of wildcard

It's horrible they are in the division with MLBs best team. The Crew

"teams' hate to say it but scrubbies are +19 games over .500 putting them a game behind the Jays for 3rd best.

Tough division

Cards only 4.5 put of the WC

[82birds]

How this turned into another bash Marmol thread I don’t know. I’m certainly not a Marmol fan but this team had no business winning 2 out of three against the Giants this weekend. The lineup they used had Winn hitting cleanup and 4-5 players who should still be playing in the minors somewhere.

They were thumped on Friday. Verlander held them in check and the Giants had the Cardinals shutout on Saturday until the Giants closer couldn’t get anyone out in the ninth inning. Today, Teng was struggling to throw strikes but it didn’t matter because we were swinging at everything and Teng K’d 8 in 4 innings while walking 5.

Hats off to the Cardinals for finding a way to win the series with an inferior lineup.

Why did they have no business winning 2 of 3 they got decent starting pitching the past two days and have a very good bullpen to close out leads

C’mon. Be honest. A lineup that has Winn hitting cleanup, has an outfield of Scott, Church and Nootbaar. Has an infield that included Saggese and Fermin. Walker was 0 for his last 25. They were missing regulars Contreras, Donovan, Burleson and Arenado.

No offense and as you said “decent starting pitching”. I’m glad they won. I’m a Cardinal fan until I die but this is an inferior product. This team shouldn’t have won 2 out of three but they did and as I said, I tip my cap to them. I also agree that the bullpen has been strong.

I am being honest. All the cardinals need is a lead after 5
And that’s a wrap with how good the bullpen is. They have four pitchers who can close out games right now look at who he brought in the two wins svanson and his 1.97 ERA Lehay 2.93 ERA who can give you two innings every time out, O’Brien and his 1.60 ERA romero and his 2.03 ERA. It’s easy to stay around .500 when you have a very good bullpen

Easy?
When the rotation gives up more than
league average while the offense scores
less than league average.

The BP is the strength of the team, agree.

There is nothing easy about this. The lineup they ran out there this weekend was a sub major league group. Where was the offense going to come from with these players. A 160 lb SS hitting cleanup. A minor leaguer at 3B (Saggese), a minor leaguer at 2B (Fermin), a RF who hadn’t had a hit in a week (Walker), alternating between light hitting outfielders (Scott and Church) sometimes playing both together. You don’t think SF left here scratching their heads about dropping the 2 games to the Cardinals and wondering how they gave up the runs they did to this team?

No one is saying that the bullpen hasn’t done its job but the starters have been a below average group. Hoping for a lead after 5 with this starting group and the lack of offensive production is a stretch at best. The lineup the Cardinals ran out there this weekend was abysmal.

well said

[Bob Kunush]

Against a red hot Giants team

This team should not be a .500 team and yet they are. They may not have the "talent" but they have the WILL and WANT to compete and win every day.

I'd hate to say it, but I think that reflects more on the manager than anything. Oli has them going out there and competing on a daily basis since they all-star break.

Why shouldn’t it be a .500 team? They had just about the same team as last year that won 83 games

Last years team didn't sell off 3 of its top relievers at the trade deadline. Arenado, Donovan, and Burly are now all out as well.

You guys can scream and holler about how if only this team had a better manager they'd be so much better as much as you want, but it doesn't make it true.

And you screaming about how great he is doesn’t make it true either. His job is to develop the young players but they havent been good or developed much. Arenado said when they were winning in may the team the last couple of years came to the ballpark hoping things went well instead of expecting them to go well the manager builds the culture of the team and apparently that’s the culture oli has created hoping they go well instead of expecting them to go well. So I’m not as impressed by a .500 team as you are I said before the season started they would again be around a .500 team I’ve been right so far. You were probably one of the ones saying this is a 90+ win team

A major league manager on a good team does not develop players. He deploys them in situations to help the team. Players xan develop more fully at the msjor league level due to exposure to great pitching and more coaching , but the lionshare of their development better be done before they get to the majors. After they arrive, it's about adjusting more than development. When Olliie was part of the development part of the organization they dod a good j9b in that area. Then they cut staff and used outdated methods. That is on the organization. Ask Tony LaRussa what he thought about developing players in the majors. Not all of the Cardinals young players have regressed. Several of the young pitchers have shown growth and players like Burleson and Herrara have had nice years. Even Pages has had a good year overall as a young catcher. Winn and Scott need better offense bit both have become premium defensive players. Walker and Gorman are not the only young players.

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Against a red hot Giants team

This team should not be a .500 team and yet they are. They may not have the "talent" but they have the WILL and WANT to compete and win every day.

I'd hate to say it, but I think that reflects more on the manager than anything. Oli has them going out there and competing on a daily basis since they all-star break.

Why shouldn’t it be a .500 team? They had just about the same team as last year that won 83 games

Last years team didn't sell off 3 of its top relievers at the trade deadline. Arenado, Donovan, and Burly are now all out as well.

You guys can scream and holler about how if only this team had a better manager they'd be so much better as much as you want, but it doesn't make it true.

And you screaming about how great he is doesn’t make it true either. His job is to develop the young players but they havent been good or developed much. Arenado said when they were winning in may the team the last couple of years came to the ballpark hoping things went well instead of expecting them to go well the manager builds the culture of the team and apparently that’s the culture oli has created hoping they go well instead of expecting them to go well. So I’m not as impressed by a .500 team as you are I said before the season started they would again be around a .500 team I’ve been right so far. You were probably one of the ones saying this is a 90+ win team

A major league manager on a good team does not develop players. He deploys them in situations to help the team. Players xan develop more fully at the msjor league level due to exposure to great pitching and more coaching , but the lionshare of their development better be done before they get to the majors. After they arrive, it's about adjusting more than development. When Olliie was part of the development part of the organization they dod a good j9b in that area. Then they cut staff and used outdated methods. That is on the organization. Ask Tony LaRussa what he thought about developing players in the majors. Not all of the Cardinals young players have regressed. Several of the young pitchers have shown growth and players like Burleson and Herrara have had nice years. Even Pages has had a good year overall as a young catcher. Winn and Scott need better offense bit both have become premium defensive players. Walker and Gorman are not the only young players.

So Oli did a good job of developing players when he was managing in the minors but now that hes in the majors thats not his job as a manager? Okay its fine if you think hes doing a great job I dont especially after hearing Arenados remarks about how the team comes to the ball park hoping good thngs happen instead of expecting good things to happen thats not a winning culture oli has instilled in the team