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Melville wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:14 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 15:08 pm look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

The majority of the team members have performed well below expectations.
The manager has completely failed in the stated #1 objective of young player development and has terribly botched playing time opportunities.
The team is 4th in a 5-team division.
The team in 10th in a 15-team league.
In no sane universe is that worthy of a single manager-of-the-year vote.
It does, however, call for one pink slip.

The manager has to play the players he has. Have you considered the possibility that a lot of these players are just not good starting caliber major leaguers?

I don’t think Oli is some savant, nor do I think he’s manager of the year material. But he’s been given extremely flawed rosters the last two seasons, had an incompetent front office give him next to zero help, and led the team to better than expected results. For the most part, the defense and base running has been clean. It’s not a side show. Players play hard to the last out. Some young players are improving and getting valuable experience. That was the whole goal of the season.

Entitled fans expect way too much of a manager that the front office has gone on record as saying is effectively neutered from a decision making standpoint.

Have all young players developed the way we hoped? Of course not, but the players take the lions share of the blame for that. It’s not from lack of opportunity.

Oli is fine and has done nothing to get fired. They could do much worse.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:51 pm

Melville wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:14 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 15:08 pm look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

The majority of the team members have performed well below expectations.
The manager has completely failed in the stated #1 objective of young player development and has terribly botched playing time opportunities.
The team is 4th in a 5-team division.
The team in 10th in a 15-team league.
In no sane universe is that worthy of a single manager-of-the-year vote.
It does, however, call for one pink slip.

Well said.

Will add....never should have been here this year to begin with.

Glad to see us back at .500. I belive a better manager would have us 10 games over (that's a 5-win difference).

17 games out of 1st place in division

8 games out of last place in division

Remaining schedule:
3 @ Mariners
3 @ Brewers
3 vs Reds
3 vs Brewers
3 @ SF
3 @ Dubbies

All teams for playoff positions.

There is no way in any universe this team finish at .500 with that schedule.

Best Marmot could hope for is participation award on this way out the door.

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:57 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:51 pm

Melville wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:14 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 15:08 pm look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

The majority of the team members have performed well below expectations.
The manager has completely failed in the stated #1 objective of young player development and has terribly botched playing time opportunities.
The team is 4th in a 5-team division.
The team in 10th in a 15-team league.
In no sane universe is that worthy of a single manager-of-the-year vote.
It does, however, call for one pink slip.

Well said.

Will add....never should have been here this year to begin with.

Glad to see us back at .500. I belive a better manager would have us 10 games over (that's a 5-win difference).

Maybe I am missing something. What would another manager have done differently with this group of players that would have produced 10 more wins?

There’s been two ML caliber starters in the rotation all season. The bullpen has been a mish mash of raw talents and aging vets, backed for much of the season by Helsley having his worst season as a pro.

Arenado has either been hurt or ineffective. Donny started off hot and has been below league average since.

There’s just not much more juice to squeeze out of this bunch. Anyone claiming otherwise is being delusional about the level of talent we have.

jbrach wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 15:08 pm look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

The Cardinal/Oli don't even get a mention on MLB Central.

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:57 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:51 pm

Melville wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:14 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 15:08 pm look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

The majority of the team members have performed well below expectations.
The manager has completely failed in the stated #1 objective of young player development and has terribly botched playing time opportunities.
The team is 4th in a 5-team division.
The team in 10th in a 15-team league.
In no sane universe is that worthy of a single manager-of-the-year vote.
It does, however, call for one pink slip.

Well said.

Will add....never should have been here this year to begin with.

Glad to see us back at .500. I belive a better manager would have us 10 games over (that's a 5-win difference).

Your apoarant dislike of Marmol as manager has clouded your objectivity. Texas and Cincinnati have HOF managers and more talent than us. How many more wins do those two great managers have this year than the Cardinals?

If Oli was canned tomorrow would he hired by another MLB team to manage their team next season? Not a chance in hell

When you’re hoping your 500 manager gets a reward.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 15:29 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 15:08 pm look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

lol manager of the year for having a mediocre team at .500? That would be nuts. If that’s the case Francona should get MOY votes for having the reds at .500

The Reds have more talent than the Cardinals.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:51 pm

Melville wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 16:14 pm

jbrach wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 15:08 pm look at the team on the field,how is this team playing 500 ball?

The majority of the team members have performed well below expectations.
The manager has completely failed in the stated #1 objective of young player development and has terribly botched playing time opportunities.
The team is 4th in a 5-team division.
The team in 10th in a 15-team league.
In no sane universe is that worthy of a single manager-of-the-year vote.
It does, however, call for one pink slip.

Well said.

Will add....never should have been here this year to begin with.

True.

Funny no one mentions that Marmol got a MoY vote last year. Seven other managers received votes, basically for every team in sniffing distance of 500.

Ten voters picking 1-3 is 30 votes. I could see Marmol grabbing another one this year, especially if the club finishes well.

The roster is flawed. Oli does a good job.

Mootbaar, N/A, Scott, Walker, Donovan, Herrera, Gray, Pallante, Mikolas, and Fedde all fell well below expectations.
Winn has been no worse and no better than expected.
The team's 2 most productive LH bats - Burleson and Gorman were both stupidly denied playing time early by the manager.
McGreevy was foolishly denied a roster spot in April - a decision to which a manager has input.
Conteras exceeded expectations (not mine of course, since I correctly predicted his successful 2025 move to 1b the day STL signed him
Liberatore accomplished what was needed.
Just 2 successes for The Marmot from those 16 key roster pieces is failure on a large scale.
The very definition of leadership is to cause others to succeed.
The Marmot failed.

The roster is flawed. Oli does a good job.

Melville wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 18:59 pm Mootbaar, N/A, Scott, Walker, Donovan, Herrera, Gray, Pallante, Mikolas, and Fedde all fell well below expectations.
Winn has been no worse and no better than expected.
The team's 2 most productive LH bats - Burleson and Gorman were both stupidly denied playing time early by the manager.
McGreevy was foolishly denied a roster spot in April - a decision to which a manager has input.
Conteras exceeded expectations (not mine of course, since I correctly predicted his successful 2025 move to 1b the day STL signed him
Liberatore accomplished what was needed.
Just 2 successes for The Marmot from those 16 key roster pieces is failure on a large scale.
The very definition of leadership is to cause others to succeed.
The Marmot failed.

first off the manager has no say in whether a rookie pitcher is on the roster...to suggest oli is responsible for having poor performance from players is ludicrous..given the players and performance it is remarkable they are a 500 team

jbrach wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 19:15 pm

Melville wrote: ↑07 Sep 2025 18:59 pm Mootbaar, N/A, Scott, Walker, Donovan, Herrera, Gray, Pallante, Mikolas, and Fedde all fell well below expectations.
Winn has been no worse and no better than expected.
The team's 2 most productive LH bats - Burleson and Gorman were both stupidly denied playing time early by the manager.
McGreevy was foolishly denied a roster spot in April - a decision to which a manager has input.
Conteras exceeded expectations (not mine of course, since I correctly predicted his successful 2025 move to 1b the day STL signed him
Liberatore accomplished what was needed.
Just 2 successes for The Marmot from those 16 key roster pieces is failure on a large scale.
The very definition of leadership is to cause others to succeed.
The Marmot failed.

first off the manager has no say in whether a rookie pitcher is on the roster...to suggest oli is responsible for having poor performance from players is ludicrous..given the players and performance it is remarkable they are a 500 team

Remarkable to you maybe I said it would be around a .500 team at the beginning of the season so far it’s exactly what i said it would be no surprises to me. It’s a mediocre team it’s been a mediocre team since the leaders left in Molina and pujols and leadership fell to oli. It’s a mediocre team with a mediocre manager