More valuable...Winn or VS2?

[scoutyjones2]

Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?

Who would you build around?

Who would bring more in a trade?

Who adds more offensively?

Are either more than one tool player?

Both play a highly valued defensive position very well

Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?

Are either worth keeping and building around?

One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.

WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..

JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?

Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...

There is no one way to determine WAR. There are hundreds of steps to make this calculation, and dozens of places where reasonable people can disagree on the best way to implement a particular part of the framework. I can't believe you think Scott II is more valuable than Winn.

By what criteria, for you, is Winn more valuable?

[scoutyjones2]

Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?

Who would you build around?

Who would bring more in a trade?

Who adds more offensively?

Are either more than one tool player?

Both play a highly valued defensive position very well

Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?

Are either worth keeping and building around?

One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.

WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..

JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?

Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...

Not sure why anybody needs to be traded now from the pool you mentioned.

Winn may have only a 2.5 war this year, but had a 4.9 last year. Who’s to say MW, who is still very cheap, won’t have a WAR 4+ next year?

JJ, under full control, is about to join an infield where 2b and 3b are more or less open.

Scott is also young and cost-controlled in a thin OF.

Who said either needs to be traded?

[scoutyjones2]

Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?

Who would you build around?

Who would bring more in a trade?

Who adds more offensively?

Are either more than one tool player?

Both play a highly valued defensive position very well

Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?

Are either worth keeping and building around?

One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.

You claim we are watching a AAA team...

[ecleme22]

Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?

Who would you build around?

Who would bring more in a trade?

Who adds more offensively?

Are either more than one tool player?

Both play a highly valued defensive position very well

Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?

Are either worth keeping and building around?

One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.

WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..

JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?

Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...

Not sure why anybody needs to be traded now from the pool you mentioned.

Winn may have only a 2.5 war this year, but had a 4.9 last year. Who’s to say MW, who is still very cheap, won’t have a WAR 4+ next year?

JJ, under full control, is about to join an infield where 2b and 3b are more or less open.

Scott is also young and cost-controlled in a thin OF.

Who said either needs to be traded?

You implied it 3-4 times in your OP.

[Cusecards]

Both have shown to be plus plus defenders at key defensive positions.
Over time they could prove to be elite defenders.
Winn has played longer and has clearly showed to be the better hitter to date.
I would not look to trade either although if pushed I would keep Winn ahead of Scott.
Of course if the return is enticing anyone can be traded if it improves the team.

[rockondlouie]

I wouldn't build around either of these two great defenders, below average hitters.

They're both serviceable players who's great defense, on a team loaded w/hitters, would be ideal at SS & CF.

The player C. Bloom will build around (IMO) is JJW.

As for trade value, Winn would bring back the greatest return.

I have no issue w/Bloom listening to offers on anyone on the current major league roster.

[RunSup]

Winn is by far the most valuable player on the team. VS2 isn't even close. What WAR stat are you looking at? FanGraphs says different.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/war?teamid=28

[scoutyjones2]

Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?

Who would you build around?

Who would bring more in a trade?

Who adds more offensively?

Are either more than one tool player?

Both play a highly valued defensive position very well

Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?

Are either worth keeping and building around?

One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.

WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..

JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?

Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...

Not sure why anybody needs to be traded now from the pool you mentioned.

Winn may have only a 2.5 war this year, but had a 4.9 last year. Who’s to say MW, who is still very cheap, won’t have a WAR 4+ next year?

JJ, under full control, is about to join an infield where 2b and 3b are more or less open.

Scott is also young and cost-controlled in a thin OF.

Who said either needs to be traded?

You implied it 3-4 times in your OP.

Reading is fundamental. Comprehension beyond you.

[JDW]

Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?

Who would you build around?

Who would bring more in a trade?

Who adds more offensively?

Are either more than one tool player?

Both play a highly valued defensive position very well

Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?

Are either worth keeping and building around?

One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.

WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..

JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?

Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...

Not sure why anybody needs to be traded now from the pool you mentioned.

Winn may have only a 2.5 war this year, but had a 4.9 last year. Who’s to say MW, who is still very cheap, won’t have a WAR 4+ next year?

JJ, under full control, is about to join an infield where 2b and 3b are more or less open.

Scott is also young and cost-controlled in a thin OF.

This.
Winn is a potential GG SS, and his knee could be holding him back some this season. Get that cleaned up this off season and he'll probably be a consistent +.700 OPS guy with very good defense at a key position, is young and cost controlled with upside, what's not to like?
VS2 this season is stealing bases at over a 90% success rate, which is elite. His OB% is in the .320's I think, which is around what V. Coleman's used to put up. If VS2 can improve on that a little and would have a manager that is more aggressive with the running game, you have a great weapon on the bases with again potential GG at a key position, and again, young, cost controlled with upside.
It will be great if JJW comes up and produces at a good level and there are positions open for him.
There are other players on the 26 with decent value that are not as young, with less upside with less control left. That's where you trade from.
Add to the good, young, cost controlled position players on the roster versus subtract.

[CorneliusWolfe]

Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?

Can CT decide objectively?

Who would you build around?

Who would bring more in a trade?

Who adds more offensively?

Are either more than one tool player?

Both play a highly valued defensive position very well

Who has a possible alternate already within the system if one is moved?

Are either worth keeping and building around?

Looking at it from a team perspective, I’d say Winn. Mainly because Donovan is our only valuable trade chip and Wetherholt can fill the void for him. JJW could play short but then we are just letting Donovan’s talent go to waste and his value plummet and turning him into more of a rental trade option for another team.

Scott is still worth a look and would keep us strong up the middle defensively, but if he doesn’t get better offensively, he’ll need to go. It’s not like he has much trade value to diminish anyway.

Ozzie wasn’t the best offensively early in his career either and Winn has shown more flashes with the bat than VS.

[CorneliusWolfe]

You keep posting dumb phukery like this, the real question will be: more valuable to CT…. you or shady?

Wow, that’s a low blow! Lol. Half of Scouty’s posts might not exceed two words…but Shady has a “negative WAR”.

[rockondlouie]

Since August 1st:
Winn
.196 .256 .286 .542


VSII
.216 .293 .243 .536



Season:
Winn
.253 .309 .365 .674


VSII
.225 .314 .312 .625

[Lightning Rod]

OMG, is this a serious question?

[kscardsfan]

Three attention hoes is what I see. None of the three having any value.

[renostl]

Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?

Who would you build around?

Who would bring more in a trade?

Who adds more offensively?

Are either more than one tool player?

Both play a highly valued defensive position very well

Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?

Are either worth keeping and building around?

One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.

WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..

JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?

Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...

Not sure why anybody needs to be traded now from the pool you mentioned.

Winn may have only a 2.5 war this year, but had a 4.9 last year. Who’s to say MW, who is still very cheap, won’t have a WAR 4+ next year?

JJ, under full control, is about to join an infield where 2b and 3b are more or less open.

Scott is also young and cost-controlled in a thin OF.

This.
Winn is a potential GG SS, and his knee could be holding him back some this season. Get that cleaned up this off season and he'll probably be a consistent +.700 OPS guy with very good defense at a key position, is young and cost controlled with upside, what's not to like?
VS2 this season is stealing bases at over a 90% success rate, which is elite. His OB% is in the .320's I think, which is around what V. Coleman's used to put up. If VS2 can improve on that a little and would have a manager that is more aggressive with the running game, you have a great weapon on the bases with again potential GG at a key position, and again, young, cost controlled with upside.
It will be great if JJW comes up and produces at a good level and there are positions open for him.
There are other players on the 26 with decent value that are not as young, with less upside with less control left. That's where you trade from.
Add to the good, young, cost controlled position players on the roster versus subtract.

Scott has improved himself to an OPS of .625 which is .055 better than Siani's 2024
and .105 worse than what Winn has been able to post.
The Cards will attempt to replace Scott's production IF he doesn't do it himself with
Baez, Church, Davis, or even Nootbaar or Bader.

JJ and Winn can coexist very easily.
Short stops are involved in more plays even IF they're both GG.

The only flag with Winn is health. It could be nothing but is a warning sign with knees and backs
for his age and appears to be healthy.

[imadangman]

Winn at this point is a steady player. Steady defense and when his bat isn't strong enough to bat 1st/2nd, he's more than suitable 6th/7th/8th (he collects big hits/rbis despite the low obp). Hope he improves next year. Hope Scott improves too but he hasn't shown anything with the bat. Yes he has the most sb and plus-plus defense. At this point he should be considered a 4th OF. Winn has never been that much of a lineup black hole.