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Nonsense. There’s a time to “stand up for yourself” and a time not to. Over a baseball, in a public place surrounded by cameras when anything you do could be interpreted as hostility and aggressiveness toward a woman? The risks outweigh the rewards.WLTFE wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:55 amHe showed his son weakness and not how to stand up for yourselfMelville wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:48 amHe could have - and should have - done both.OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:43 amYou are wrong as usual. The father handled with class and dignity and showed his son how defuse the situation.Melville wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:40 amPartially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.
Act with class AND take a stand for his son and family.
It was a teaching moment, and he sent the wrong message.
But then, you already know that.
..pathetic on his part.
Horsefeathers! It's only a baseball, big deal. He showed his kid he had some class. And the boy was rewarded for his father doing the right thing and not making a fool out of himself like the lady did.desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:16 amNonsense. There’s a time to “stand up for yourself” and a time not to. Over a baseball, in a public place surrounded by cameras when anything you do could be interpreted as hostility and aggressiveness toward a woman? The risks outweigh the rewards.WLTFE wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:55 amHe showed his son weakness and not how to stand up for yourselfMelville wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:48 amHe could have - and should have - done both.OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:43 amYou are wrong as usual. The father handled with class and dignity and showed his son how defuse the situation.Melville wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:40 amPartially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.
Act with class AND take a stand for his son and family.
It was a teaching moment, and he sent the wrong message.
But then, you already know that.
..pathetic on his part.
It’s never a sign of weakness to be the mature adult in the room and pick your battles.
I was agreeing with you. Apologies if I didn’t make that clear.OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:28 amHorsefeathers! It's only a baseball, big deal. He showed his kid he had some class. And the boy was rewarded for his father doing the right thing and not making a fool out of himself like the lady did.desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:16 amNonsense. There’s a time to “stand up for yourself” and a time not to. Over a baseball, in a public place surrounded by cameras when anything you do could be interpreted as hostility and aggressiveness toward a woman? The risks outweigh the rewards.WLTFE wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:55 amHe showed his son weakness and not how to stand up for yourselfMelville wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:48 amHe could have - and should have - done both.OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:43 amYou are wrong as usual. The father handled with class and dignity and showed his son how defuse the situation.Melville wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:40 amPartially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.
Act with class AND take a stand for his son and family.
It was a teaching moment, and he sent the wrong message.
But then, you already know that.
..pathetic on his part.
It’s never a sign of weakness to be the mature adult in the room and pick your battles.
100%. This is what is wrong with most people. Not everything needs to be escalated into a ridiculous back and forth verbal fight. If a stupid baseball was worth that much to that (buzz), then have it lady. It's just a freaking baseball. Good lord.OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:28 amHorsefeathers! It's only a baseball, big deal. He showed his kid he had some class. And the boy was rewarded for his father doing the right thing and not making a fool out of himself like the lady did.desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:16 amNonsense. There’s a time to “stand up for yourself” and a time not to. Over a baseball, in a public place surrounded by cameras when anything you do could be interpreted as hostility and aggressiveness toward a woman? The risks outweigh the rewards.WLTFE wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:55 amHe showed his son weakness and not how to stand up for yourselfMelville wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:48 amHe could have - and should have - done both.OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:43 amYou are wrong as usual. The father handled with class and dignity and showed his son how defuse the situation.Melville wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:40 amPartially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.
Act with class AND take a stand for his son and family.
It was a teaching moment, and he sent the wrong message.
But then, you already know that.
..pathetic on his part.
It’s never a sign of weakness to be the mature adult in the room and pick your battles.
And then what? She isn’t going to stop. She starts pushing and shoving? He can’t and shouldn’t hit back, especially not in public. It’s a no-win situation for him. If he does what he did, the alpha-male keyboard warriors call him a [redacted]. If he escalates, it gets MUCH worse for him.
I've caught many balls at all three Busch Stadiums and given just about everyone away. The Dad set a good example for his son by being a gentleman. I'm sure his son was proud of his father. On the other hand, the lady should be ashamed of her behavior.
She starts pushing me and I escort her away from my family and turn her over to security.desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:45 amAnd then what? She isn’t going to stop. She starts pushing and shoving? He can’t and shouldn’t hit back, especially not in public. It’s a no-win situation for him. If he does what he did, the alpha-male keyboard warriors call him a [redacted]. If he escalates, it gets MUCH worse for him.
Not everything in life is an opportunity to show off your machismo. Sometimes the winning move is not to engage.
For sure OldRed.
What did she “win?” She’s a social pariah whose name and address is getting posted on the internet. His kid got a different ball, got to meet a player on his favorite team and get a signed bat, and got to see that his old man isn’t a hothead who escalates minor arguments.Bully4you wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:48 amShe starts pushing me and I escort her away from my family and turn her over to security.desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:45 amAnd then what? She isn’t going to stop. She starts pushing and shoving? He can’t and shouldn’t hit back, especially not in public. It’s a no-win situation for him. If he does what he did, the alpha-male keyboard warriors call him a [redacted]. If he escalates, it gets MUCH worse for him.
Not everything in life is an opportunity to show off your machismo. Sometimes the winning move is not to engage.
Not gonna let a person win under those circumstances.
That's a split-second decision to have to make.desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:01 amWhat did she “win?” She’s a social pariah whose name and address is getting posted on the internet. His kid got a different ball, got to meet a player on his favorite team and get a signed bat, and got to see that his old man isn’t a hothead who escalates minor arguments.Bully4you wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:48 amShe starts pushing me and I escort her away from my family and turn her over to security.desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:45 amAnd then what? She isn’t going to stop. She starts pushing and shoving? He can’t and shouldn’t hit back, especially not in public. It’s a no-win situation for him. If he does what he did, the alpha-male keyboard warriors call him a [redacted]. If he escalates, it gets MUCH worse for him.
Not everything in life is an opportunity to show off your machismo. Sometimes the winning move is not to engage.
Not gonna let a person win under those circumstances.
Who’s the winner here?
I’m sure the dad slept fine last night. It’s a baseball, not a life-or-death, fight-or-flight situation where it’s very possible he would have acted much differently.Bully4you wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:11 amThat's a split-second decision to have to make.desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 11:01 amWhat did she “win?” She’s a social pariah whose name and address is getting posted on the internet. His kid got a different ball, got to meet a player on his favorite team and get a signed bat, and got to see that his old man isn’t a hothead who escalates minor arguments.Bully4you wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:48 amShe starts pushing me and I escort her away from my family and turn her over to security.desertrat23 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:45 amAnd then what? She isn’t going to stop. She starts pushing and shoving? He can’t and shouldn’t hit back, especially not in public. It’s a no-win situation for him. If he does what he did, the alpha-male keyboard warriors call him a [redacted]. If he escalates, it gets MUCH worse for him.
Not everything in life is an opportunity to show off your machismo. Sometimes the winning move is not to engage.
Not gonna let a person win under those circumstances.
Who’s the winner here?
You don't know that Bader will do what he did.
You don't think about the cameras and internet.
So, you do the right thing.
You never reward a child or adult when throwing a temper tantrum.
Always yields bad results.
You just don't buckle under those circumstances.
That was an adult lady throwing a temper tantrum.
If you do, you succumb to being bullied.
And your kid learns to cower in these incidents.
Bad all the way around.
“Well son, I got thrown out of the baseball game, arrested, doxxed on social media for hitting a woman, and will probably lose my job because of the unwanted attention I brought on myself, my family, and my employer. And you didn’t even get to keep the baseball. But I hope you learned a lesson about life.”
Reward the lunatic with a meaningless totem to satisfy them, and the prize is being rid of a lunatic… not unlike agreeing with Melville.Absolut wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:49 amThis.Melville wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 08:40 amPartially agree.
But he did not handle it as well as he could have.
Yes, he was right to keep his composure and not get into an ugly confrontation.
No, he should not have surrendered the ball.
He missed an opportunity to show his son and his entire family how to stand strong when unjustly attacked.
He should have allowed the lunatic to rant and rave - and tell her the ball was the property of his son and that she should be embarrassed by her behavior.
Then, ignore her.