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Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 14:03 pm
by Alex Reyes Cy Young
ClassicO wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 10:36 am
The Cards have seldom had top 10 picks in the draft since it began in 1966.
When they have, it's been a story of some average to good players to make the majors, the best of whom are Drew and Van Slyke, just no superstars, with:
2025 - Doyle - #5
2024 - JJW -#7
1998 - Drew #5 (46 fWAR)
1996 - Braden Looper #3 (72W/65L)
1991- Dmitri Young - #4
1989 - Paul Coleman - #6 (worst by far -- had major red flags at the time)
1984 - Mike Dunne - #7 (one good year for the Pirates)
1981 - Bobby Meacham - #8 (infamous for being sent to the Yankees when Bob Sykes [traded for McGee] came up lame)
1979 - Andy Van Slyke - #6 (41.8 fWAR)
1977 - Terry Kennedy - #6
1971 - Ed Kurpiel - #8 (second worst pick)
1966 - Leron Lee - #7 (just one very good year for the Padres - 143 wRC+)
Thanks for putting this together.
Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 15:29 pm
by woofy25
Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 12:17 pm
If it was anybody else, I'd ask: "who was ranked first?"
But when has Jim Bowden been right about anything?
The track record of every "expert's" prospect rankings are so bad that there is no value in paying attention to any of them, much less forming an opinion of the Cardinals' future based on them.
It's like valuing stock pickers. The overwhelming majority of hedge funds underperform the market. People are generally pretty bad at predicting the future, projecting baseball prospects being among the most worthless
Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 15:55 pm
by Red Bird Classic
woofy25 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 15:29 pm
Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 12:17 pm
If it was anybody else, I'd ask: "who was ranked first?"
But when has Jim Bowden been right about anything?
The track record of every "expert's" prospect rankings are so bad that there is no value in paying attention to any of them, much less forming an opinion of the Cardinals' future based on them.
It's like valuing stock pickers. The overwhelming majority of hedge funds underperform the market. People are generally pretty bad at predicting the future, projecting baseball prospects being among the most worthless
Ain't it the truth though.
All the modern metrics, complex algorithms, even AI assistants, and the list of highly regarded prospect flops just keeps growing.
Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 16:15 pm
by Cusecards
Look I’m as psyched as anyone to see JJ but :
1) I doubt he’s going to turn into a pumpkin if he doesn’t come up in September?
2) It sounds accurate that they are evaluating their 40 man for 2026 and who to keep?
3) As a follow up to #2 above they probably know that JJ will be a given for 2026. So no need to rush him. But there are others they have to decide on and those are the guys they need to look at in September.
Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 16:35 pm
by ClassicO
Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 14:03 pm
ClassicO wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 10:36 am
The Cards have seldom had top 10 picks in the draft since it began in 1966.
When they have, it's been a story of some average to good players to make the majors, the best of whom are Drew and Van Slyke, just no superstars, with:
2025 - Doyle - #5
2024 - JJW -#7
1998 - Drew #5 (46 fWAR)
1996 - Braden Looper #3 (72W/65L)
1991- Dmitri Young - #4
1989 - Paul Coleman - #6 (worst by far -- had major red flags at the time)
1984 - Mike Dunne - #7 (one good year for the Pirates)
1981 - Bobby Meacham - #8 (infamous for being sent to the Yankees when Bob Sykes [traded for McGee] came up lame)
1979 - Andy Van Slyke - #6 (41.8 fWAR)
1977 - Terry Kennedy - #6
1971 - Ed Kurpiel - #8 (second worst pick)
1966 - Leron Lee - #7 (just one very good year for the Padres - 143 wRC+)
Thanks for putting this together.
You're welcome. I had the curiosity.
Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 16:43 pm
by Jobu's Rum
PadsFS07 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 11:48 am
Walker was as high as #4 on the official BA.com and MLB.com top 100 lists.
Carlson was #9 on the BA list, but only #13 on MLB.
Taveras was as high as #3 on both lists and for two years in a row.
Alex Reyes was as high as #4 on BA and #6 on MLB.
Shelby Miller was #6 on BA and #5 on MLB.
Rasmus was #3 on BA and #8 on MLB.
Ankiel was #1 on BA.
Taveras got to #1 on the MLB list. I specifically remember texting a friend on this
Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 16:54 pm
by Absolut
Fudge. He was all over Walker. Damnit.
Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 16:57 pm
by craviduce
Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 16:43 pm
PadsFS07 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 11:48 am
Walker was as high as #4 on the official BA.com and MLB.com top 100 lists.
Carlson was #9 on the BA list, but only #13 on MLB.
Taveras was as high as #3 on both lists and for two years in a row.
Alex Reyes was as high as #4 on BA and #6 on MLB.
Shelby Miller was #6 on BA and #5 on MLB.
Rasmus was #3 on BA and #8 on MLB.
Ankiel was #1 on BA.
Taveras got to #1 on the MLB list. I specifically remember texting a friend on this
Attrition got him to #1, same with Walker...people graduate, they bump the list up 1 slot.
Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 05:28 am
by Bully4you
Absolut wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 16:54 pm
Fudge. He was all over Walker. Damnit.
Yeah, he had Walker as his #1 prospect in all MLB.
I'm hoping he's right this time!!
Re: Jim Bowden: JJ Wetherholt #2 Prospect in all MLB
Posted: 05 Sep 2025 06:40 am
by BobbyOrr
Someone sit him down and tell him not to go clubbing and drive a muscle car drunk!