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scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 10:15 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

McFedde is nothing special. Back of the rotation starter at best...

You are correct. Need pitching. It's ugly

Libby
Gray
McFedde
Liam Doyle?
Leahy?

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 10:53 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 08:36 am 100%. It has been McGreevy/Gray starts that seem to be the only chance we have to win. After yesterday, perhaps its just McGreevy.

BINGO

Cards are 19-9 in Gray's starts

8-3 in McG's starts

or

27 - 12

+15 games over .500 w/those two on the mound!


10 - 17 in Pallante's starts

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 14:06 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 10:53 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 08:36 am 100%. It has been McGreevy/Gray starts that seem to be the only chance we have to win. After yesterday, perhaps its just McGreevy.

BINGO

Cards are 19-9 in Gray's starts

8-3 in McG's starts

or

27 - 12

+15 games over .500 w/those two on the mound!


10 - 17 in Pallante's starts

I'm not counting Libby out ... 10-12 but 131 inning; 50 more than normal ML innings. Let's see what next year brings us.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:40 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:06 am

smilinjoefission wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 07:57 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 17:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

I don't know. He had 0 Ks his last start. He was lucky to only allow 1 run in 6 innings. A pitcher cannot count on that degree of batted ball luck for sustained success.

As long as you don't walk many or give up too many hits, you don't need the K. Cards have a decent defense...use them.

If you don’t strike guys out, you’re gonna give up too many hits.

Giving up hits isn't the end of the world. Mixing in walks with hits is where P's get into trouble. Sure the K is nice, but it isn't the end all-be all of pitching. Throw strikes and make teams get 3 hits in an inning to score a run.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:40 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:06 am

smilinjoefission wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 07:57 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 17:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

I don't know. He had 0 Ks his last start. He was lucky to only allow 1 run in 6 innings. A pitcher cannot count on that degree of batted ball luck for sustained success.

As long as you don't walk many or give up too many hits, you don't need the K. Cards have a decent defense...use them.

If you don’t strike guys out, you’re gonna give up too many hits.

Giving up hits isn't the end of the world. Mixing in walks with hits is where P's get into trouble. Sure the K is nice, but it isn't the end all-be all of pitching. Throw strikes and make teams get 3 hits in an inning to score a run.

CardsBest wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 17:27 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

I agree Cards are just four Starting pitchers a #1,#2,#3,#4 and four middle relievers and two late inning relievers, and five position players with two power bats away from being a real playoff threat. Oh and a couple bench players.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:55 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:40 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:06 am

smilinjoefission wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 07:57 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 17:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

I don't know. He had 0 Ks his last start. He was lucky to only allow 1 run in 6 innings. A pitcher cannot count on that degree of batted ball luck for sustained success.

As long as you don't walk many or give up too many hits, you don't need the K. Cards have a decent defense...use them.

If you don’t strike guys out, you’re gonna give up too many hits.

Giving up hits isn't the end of the world. Mixing in walks with hits is where P's get into trouble. Sure the K is nice, but it isn't the end all-be all of pitching. Throw strikes and make teams get 3 hits in an inning to score a run.

It’s a very narrow path to success. There are 153 starting pitchers with at least 60 IP and he’s 151st in strikeouts per 9. That’s bad.

DRoss wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:22 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:40 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:06 am

smilinjoefission wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 07:57 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 17:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

I don't know. He had 0 Ks his last start. He was lucky to only allow 1 run in 6 innings. A pitcher cannot count on that degree of batted ball luck for sustained success.

As long as you don't walk many or give up too many hits, you don't need the K. Cards have a decent defense...use them.

If you don’t strike guys out, you’re gonna give up too many hits.

Giving up hits isn't the end of the world. Mixing in walks with hits is where P's get into trouble. Sure the K is nice, but it isn't the end all-be all of pitching. Throw strikes and make teams get 3 hits in an inning to score a run.

You're correct. Back in the day, pitchers were able to pitch more innings effectively by scattering 6, 7 hits and low walks. Strikeouts were a bonus. No reason that cannot be just as effective today.

Today's pitchers are throwers with high velocity and high spin rates, not pitchers. If these dumb[ash] hitters learn to stop chasing balls at eye level, bounced in the dirt, and outside pitches clearly out of the strike zone then there would be more hitters with better BAs and OBP.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 01:22 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:55 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:40 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:06 am

smilinjoefission wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 07:57 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 17:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

I don't know. He had 0 Ks his last start. He was lucky to only allow 1 run in 6 innings. A pitcher cannot count on that degree of batted ball luck for sustained success.

As long as you don't walk many or give up too many hits, you don't need the K. Cards have a decent defense...use them.

If you don’t strike guys out, you’re gonna give up too many hits.

Giving up hits isn't the end of the world. Mixing in walks with hits is where P's get into trouble. Sure the K is nice, but it isn't the end all-be all of pitching. Throw strikes and make teams get 3 hits in an inning to score a run.

It’s a very narrow path to success. There are 153 starting pitchers with at least 60 IP and he’s 151st in strikeouts per 9. That’s bad.

Focus on the results that matter. Wins. Wins matter. If a pitcher can pitch well enough and keep his team in contention and the team gets the win, he has done his job. I don't care how he records the outs.

McGreevy is a winner. Plain and simple. He competes and has an idea of what he is doing. He mostly executes his game plan. I don't see very many other starters executing gameplans like that for the Birds.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 01:23 am

DRoss wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:22 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:40 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:06 am

smilinjoefission wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 07:57 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 17:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

I don't know. He had 0 Ks his last start. He was lucky to only allow 1 run in 6 innings. A pitcher cannot count on that degree of batted ball luck for sustained success.

As long as you don't walk many or give up too many hits, you don't need the K. Cards have a decent defense...use them.

If you don’t strike guys out, you’re gonna give up too many hits.

Giving up hits isn't the end of the world. Mixing in walks with hits is where P's get into trouble. Sure the K is nice, but it isn't the end all-be all of pitching. Throw strikes and make teams get 3 hits in an inning to score a run.

You're correct. Back in the day, pitchers were able to pitch more innings effectively by scattering 6, 7 hits and low walks. Strikeouts were a bonus. No reason that cannot be just as effective today.

Today's pitchers are throwers with high velocity and high spin rates, not pitchers. If these dumb[ash] hitters learn to stop chasing balls at eye level, bounced in the dirt, and outside pitches clearly out of the strike zone then there would be more hitters with better BAs and OBP.

Great post, guy!!!
Best post of the day!
You and I think a lot alike.

An Old Friend wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 18:02 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 01:22 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 20:55 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:40 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:06 am

smilinjoefission wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 07:57 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 17:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

I don't know. He had 0 Ks his last start. He was lucky to only allow 1 run in 6 innings. A pitcher cannot count on that degree of batted ball luck for sustained success.

As long as you don't walk many or give up too many hits, you don't need the K. Cards have a decent defense...use them.

If you don’t strike guys out, you’re gonna give up too many hits.

Giving up hits isn't the end of the world. Mixing in walks with hits is where P's get into trouble. Sure the K is nice, but it isn't the end all-be all of pitching. Throw strikes and make teams get 3 hits in an inning to score a run.

It’s a very narrow path to success. There are 153 starting pitchers with at least 60 IP and he’s 151st in strikeouts per 9. That’s bad.

Focus on the results that matter. Wins. Wins matter. If a pitcher can pitch well enough and keep his team in contention and the team gets the win, he has done his job. I don't care how he records the outs.

McGreevy is a winner. Plain and simple. He competes and has an idea of what he is doing. He mostly executes his game plan. I don't see very many other starters executing gameplans like that for the Birds.

Sounds like what some people told themselves about Dakota Hudson.

A starting pitcher in today’s game cannot have sustained success without missing some bats.

DRoss wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 19:33 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 01:23 am

DRoss wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 21:22 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:40 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 11:06 am

smilinjoefission wrote: ↑02 Sep 2025 07:57 am

icon wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 17:32 pm

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 16:56 pm is McGreevy who wasn't pitching in St Louis all season. Primary focus during the offseason should be pitching. Starters, long relievers, middle relievers, late inning relievers.

I don't know. He had 0 Ks his last start. He was lucky to only allow 1 run in 6 innings. A pitcher cannot count on that degree of batted ball luck for sustained success.

As long as you don't walk many or give up too many hits, you don't need the K. Cards have a decent defense...use them.

If you don’t strike guys out, you’re gonna give up too many hits.

Giving up hits isn't the end of the world. Mixing in walks with hits is where P's get into trouble. Sure the K is nice, but it isn't the end all-be all of pitching. Throw strikes and make teams get 3 hits in an inning to score a run.

You're correct. Back in the day, pitchers were able to pitch more innings effectively by scattering 6, 7 hits and low walks. Strikeouts were a bonus. No reason that cannot be just as effective today.

Today's pitchers are throwers with high velocity and high spin rates, not pitchers. If these dumb[ash] hitters learn to stop chasing balls at eye level, bounced in the dirt, and outside pitches clearly out of the strike zone then there would be more hitters with better BAs and OBP.

Great post, guy!!!
Best post of the day!
You and I think a lot alike.

Thank you. There are eight fielders out there to support the pitcher.

Use them.