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JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.

No way Juan, Pallante is TOAST..............either back to the pen' or even better, DFA!

2026 SR:
Gray
Libby
McG
Trade (Donny most likely bait + catching prospect for a #4)
FA signing (#5)

Ready sometime in 2026:
"Q"
Doyle

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.

I'd rather bring back Mikolas at a reduced $ rate. And that's a very low bar.

At least he's good at Busch.

We are close to Sept and he looks beat. It happens.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 02:39 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.

You just hit on one of the biggest challenges facing Bloom on day one—covering starters innings on the MLB roster in 2026. Even with Gray, Lib, AP, and McG (which sounds pretty ugly), can Chaim rely on Mathews, Doyle, plus anyone else on the farm to fill 150–180 MLB starter innings? I doubt it. I think we may have to sign at least one SP from outside the org.

Good pitching at Springfield. Several might be helpful in 2026 mid season on

Pura Vida wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 11:18 am We are close to Sept and he looks beat. It happens.

He's looked beat since late june.

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 09:39 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 07:52 am When it is obvious he has a tired are Marmol has him throw 90 pitcher 8 of the last 10 games regardless of the score.

Maybe this is how DH baseball works. Grind down the pitchers.

if 139 IP is 'grinding him down' , maybe he needs to do something else

47th in MLB and more than he has ever thrown in a full season. The problem is with the DH there is not pinch hitter when the team is behind and Marmol is having him throw 90 pitches without regard to the obviously tired arm.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 11:44 am

Pura Vida wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 11:18 am We are close to Sept and he looks beat. It happens.

He's looked beat since late june.

Correct. Why didn't Marmol see that and not give him a break? He has thrown 90 pitches 8 of the last 10 starts when he was obviously in need of a trip to the bullpen to rest the arm for a while. DH baseball allows the manager to run up the pitch count even when behind but that doesn't mean he has to do it.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 11:11 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.

I'd rather bring back Mikolas at a reduced $ rate. And that's a very low bar.

At least he's good at Busch.

You might want to check his 2023 & 2024 Busch stats before writing that in permanent ink.

Bottom line: for those years, his ERA at Busch is ~ 1.50 higher than his road ERA.

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 11:11 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.

I'd rather bring back Mikolas at a reduced $ rate. And that's a very low bar.

At least he's good at Busch.

No more Mikolas! C'mon. This is now a rebuild.

Wattage wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 06:43 am

TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 19:18 pm Andre is just 6 foot, a thick body, and character-first pitcher.

He is a bullpen weapon.

A guy that can pitch high leverage with a lead and a guy who could give you 4 outs or 2 innings when needed.

A guy that can bridge you from the 7th to the 9th.

The Cardinals, who have notoriously been unable to understand body types and body mechanics, as they shifted every resource to data driven decision making, missed the visual cues that make it obvious Andre was a wonderful bullpen asset, not a starter.

Andre is a talented pitcher and a determined high-character person.

It’s not surprising he had a short bit of great success as a starter, that’s predictable as the real issue and real prediction is this guy would be better in the long-term out of the bullpen.

Hopefully the wear and tear on the body and the mental side of losing as he has won’t ruin his career as a bullpen guy.

Im not excited about pallante as a starter, but he had FAR MORE SUCCESS starting than he did as a reliever prior to this year so im not sure i agree with the assessment. He at least had flashes as a starter. He struggled badly as a reliever.

Very true...very respectable as a SP prior to 2025!
Can’t defend how awful he has been recently but his first three months were respectable also.

icon wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 12:43 pm

Carp4Cy wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 11:11 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.

I'd rather bring back Mikolas at a reduced $ rate. And that's a very low bar.

At least he's good at Busch.

No more Mikolas! C'mon. This is now a rebuild.

Pallante is not a long term answer either. We already have too many 3-5 SPs in Libby, McGreevey and 4 injured SPs at AAA.

But we might need innings for part of the year unless we are ready to promote Doyle.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 11:07 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.

No way Juan, Pallante is TOAST..............either back to the pen' or even better, DFA!

2026 SR:
Gray
Libby
McG
Trade (Donny most likely bait + catching prospect for a #4)
FA signing (#5)

Ready sometime in 2026:
"Q"
Doyle

Im ok with trading Donovan and a catching prospect. But not for a #4.

Consolidating answers in one post.

>character-first means his character, what he’s made of, is a significant factor in his assessment compared to his pure talent and physical gifts. Given his physical limitations as a starter, this +character grade would bode well for projecting a guy who can fight in the trenches of regular work out of the pen.

>his career stats as a starter are kind of anti-to-the-point when we acknowledge the idea it was a bad idea to move him to starter because he wouldn’t be able to sustain success due to various indicators including body and pitching style. He went on a great little run there for a bit as a starter, at times having some very impressive numbers. To use those short term stats as a point isn’t a point when considering the context and scope of the actual point.

Have a great rest of your Friday’s.

TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 19:18 pm Andre is just 6 foot, a thick body, and character-first pitcher.

He is a bullpen weapon.

A guy that can pitch high leverage with a lead and a guy who could give you 4 outs or 2 innings when needed.

A guy that can bridge you from the 7th to the 9th.

The Cardinals, who have notoriously been unable to understand body types and body mechanics, as they shifted every resource to data driven decision making, missed the visual cues that make it obvious Andre was a wonderful bullpen asset, not a starter.

Andre is a talented pitcher and a determined high-character person.

It’s not surprising he had a short bit of great success as a starter, that’s predictable as the real issue and real prediction is this guy would be better in the long-term out of the bullpen.

Hopefully the wear and tear on the body and the mental side of losing as he has won’t ruin his career as a bullpen guy.

Well he is absolutely not a talented pitcher, because he can’t throw strikes. And just like Libby, many of his pitches are non competitive.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 15:00 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 11:07 am

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.

No way Juan, Pallante is TOAST..............either back to the pen' or even better, DFA!

2026 SR:
Gray
Libby
McG
Trade (Donny most likely bait + catching prospect for a #4)
FA signing (#5)

Ready sometime in 2026:
"Q"
Doyle

Im ok with trading Donovan and a catching prospect. But not for a #4.

Hopefully Bloom can do better, I just set the bar low.

Braund241 wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 20:42 pm

TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 19:18 pm Andre is just 6 foot, a thick body, and character-first pitcher.

He is a bullpen weapon.

A guy that can pitch high leverage with a lead and a guy who could give you 4 outs or 2 innings when needed.

A guy that can bridge you from the 7th to the 9th.

The Cardinals, who have notoriously been unable to understand body types and body mechanics, as they shifted every resource to data driven decision making, missed the visual cues that make it obvious Andre was a wonderful bullpen asset, not a starter.

Andre is a talented pitcher and a determined high-character person.

It’s not surprising he had a short bit of great success as a starter, that’s predictable as the real issue and real prediction is this guy would be better in the long-term out of the bullpen.

Hopefully the wear and tear on the body and the mental side of losing as he has won’t ruin his career as a bullpen guy.

Well he is absolutely not a talented pitcher, because he can’t throw strikes. And just like Libby, many of his pitches are non competitive.

He obviously threw strikes for an extended period as he went on a run with impressive metrics as a starter.

He burned himself up, which was very predictable given his makeup.

He should have never been a starter.