Pronman - 16th ranked pipeline

[Old_Goat]

does someone have the list of pipelines 1-32? I find it oddly funny we are 16 when we are also probably like a top 11-18 team in the league. I'm curious if he just flipped the order? I can see the 9-32 or something on another website.

Oddly enough, this should be a positive if you talk about where the Blues are at. According to my book, us and the Capitals are the highest ranked teams that made the playoffs last year.

Also far-and-away the highest number of impactful number of prospects whom were objectively recognized by others as well as were well up the stats sheets at the last couple of World Juniors Tournaments.

[SRV1990]

What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.

[hockey jedi]

It appears we have a bunch of prospects that can't skate and aren't that smart.

[stljrs]

What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.

I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.

[STL fan in MN]

What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.

I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.

He’s referring to smelly, not you..

[a smell of green grass]

What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.

I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.

He’s referring to smelly, not you..

Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.

I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?

[John Cocktoastin]

They have a solid system but not sure we have enough?

Who is sure anybody's system has enough?

I do know we had an NHL-high nine prospects in the World Juniors with five winning medals. I'll take Dvorsky, Pekarcik, Stancl, Jiricek, Jecho, Ralph, Stenberg and Lindstein any day of the week. Did he factor that in? Obviously not.

A little lazy analysis. But whatever.

[a smell of green grass]

They have a solid system but not sure we have enough?

Who is sure anybody's system has enough?

I do know we had an NHL-high nine prospects in the World Juniors with five winning medals. I'll take Dvorsky, Pekarcik, Stancl, Jiricek, Jecho, Ralph, Stenberg and Lindstein any day of the week. Did he factor that in? Obviously not.

A little lazy analysis. But whatever.

The reviewer is saying the same thing that I have been saying.

A Stanley Cup winner needs elite talent. Take a gander the the MVPs of the last 20 Stanley Cup Winners. Most are HOFers.

The current roster has no such talent. Who in the prospect pool is a potential future HOFer?

[John Cocktoastin]

They have a solid system but not sure we have enough?

Who is sure anybody's system has enough?

I do know we had an NHL-high nine prospects in the World Juniors with five winning medals. I'll take Dvorsky, Pekarcik, Stancl, Jiricek, Jecho, Ralph, Stenberg and Lindstein any day of the week. Did he factor that in? Obviously not.

A little lazy analysis. But whatever.

The reviewer is saying the same thing that I have been saying.

A Stanley Cup winner needs elite talent. Take a gander the the MVPs of the last 20 Stanley Cup Winners. Most are HOFers.

The current roster has no such talent. Who in the prospect pool is a potential future HOFer?

If we're projecting HOFers at ages 18-21, well...

[STL fan in MN]

What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.

I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.

He’s referring to smelly, not you..

Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.

I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?

It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…

Jiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.

Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.

Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!

Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.

Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.

[a smell of green grass]

What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.

I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.

He’s referring to smelly, not you..

Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.

I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?

It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…

Jiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.

Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.

Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!

Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.

Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.

If Jiricek is our #2, the Blues have next to nothing in the pipeline.

That said, I paid little attention to his laddering of the prospects. I focused only on what he said about each player. I found that his synopsis is the most negative to date about each player.

At this point, I don't see that any of our prospects are close to playing in the NHL. Just play the tape of Army discussing our prospects, and he says nothing to get me excited about them. Will they make the lineup? Maybe, but the chances that they are difference-makers is less every day that they are kept in hiding.

The takeaway from all of this for me is this...

As a general rule, drafting around #15 tends to yield 3rd-liner talent. Why should anyone be surprised that that is what Army got in the draft? Getting a C+ for finding 3rd-line talent is about the best grade that could be expected.

The most tell-tale sign that our 2023 draft yielded nothing special is that Army called the re-whatever over, and he provided NO SUMMARY of what it yielded. Army evidently just wants the fans to forget about the 2023 draft and the promise and hope that it brought. That says it all in my mind. We hear about the "offer sheets" constantly. When was the last time, you heard Army or the reporter discuss the 2023 draft?

We all need to face the facts. We got nothing special in the 2023 draft.

[DawgDad]

What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.

I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.

He’s referring to smelly, not you..

Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.

I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?

It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…

Jiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.

Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.

Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!

Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.

Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.

If Jiricek is our #2, the Blues have next to nothing in the pipeline.

That said, I paid little attention to his laddering of the prospects. I focused only on what he said about each player. I found that his synopsis is the most negative to date about each player.

At this point, I don't see that any of our prospects are close to playing in the NHL. Just play the tape of Army discussing our prospects, and he says nothing to get me excited about them. Will they make the lineup? Maybe, but the chances that they are difference-makers is less every day that they are kept in hiding.

The takeaway from all of this for me is this...

As a general rule, drafting around #15 tends to yield 3rd-liner talent. Why should anyone be surprised that that is what Army got in the draft? Getting a C+ for finding 3rd-line talent is about the best grade that could be expected.

The most tell-tale sign that our 2023 draft yielded nothing special is that Army called the re-whatever over, and he provided NO SUMMARY of what it yielded. Army evidently just wants the fans to forget about the 2023 draft and the promise and hope that it brought. That says it all in my mind. We hear about the "offer sheets" constantly. When was the last time, you heard Army or the reporter discuss the 2023 draft?

We all need to face the facts. We got nothing special in the 2023 draft.

No sale.

[SRV1990]

What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.

I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.

Sorry bro, I wasn't referring to you.

[STL fan in MN]

What an awful list! And it's no surprise only one braindead poster actually believes it and uses Clueless Corey to validate their delusional theories. Pathetic.

I posted it because I have access and many here do not. I didn’t say either way if I agree with it.

He’s referring to smelly, not you..

Gentleman.
ASOGG is not a Blues Prospect. You are boring people when you critique him. No one cares about ASOGG.

I see that you believe that the reviewer is badly mistaken. What is he wrong about?

It’s almost as if I’ve already provided quite a bit of the reasons where I feel he’s wrong in this very thread…

Jiricek our 2nd best prospect? He couldn’t stay healthy and when he did play he scored 12 pts in 27 games.

Dvorsky our 4th? Hardly any player can be a top player in the AHL as a teenager but Dvorsky did. Voted by the league and the league’s GMs to the AHL top prospect team.

Jecho at 7 might be the worst of all. Corey correctly evaluates his skating and hockey sense as below average with really nothing else going for him other than size and a decent shot but somehow he’s our 7th best. I’d have him at the tail end of our top-20. “Jecho’s production didn’t take a big step this season as hoped.” Yeah, no $h!t, Corey!! It doesn’t take as big of a step as you hoped. But did he re-evaluate his clearly misguided opinion on Jecho as a result? Nope!

Lindstein might not bring enough offense to be in the top-4 is just an insane misunderstanding of how NHL place their d-men. For some reason, NHL teams tend to play d-men that are good at defense. The ones that are also good at offense play even more. The ones that are good at just offense play very sheltered 3rd pairing minutes and PP minutes. IMO, Lindstein will likely not bring enough offense to be a PP guy. But he’s way above his peers defensively and this should get a lot of even strength and PK time. Corey has always wildly overrated players that bring empty offense and underrated players that are very solid defensively but don’t bring you out of your seat with offensive flair.

Mayich isn’t even a Blues prospect anymore. But Corey Pronman, a guy actually paid to do this work, doesn’t know this. In short, he’s a hack.

If Jiricek is our #2, the Blues have next to nothing in the pipeline.

That said, I paid little attention to his laddering of the prospects. I focused only on what he said about each player. I found that his synopsis is the most negative to date about each player.

At this point, I don't see that any of our prospects are close to playing in the NHL. Just play the tape of Army discussing our prospects, and he says nothing to get me excited about them. Will they make the lineup? Maybe, but the chances that they are difference-makers is less every day that they are kept in hiding.

The takeaway from all of this for me is this...

As a general rule, drafting around #15 tends to yield 3rd-liner talent. Why should anyone be surprised that that is what Army got in the draft? Getting a C+ for finding 3rd-line talent is about the best grade that could be expected.

The most tell-tale sign that our 2023 draft yielded nothing special is that Army called the re-whatever over, and he provided NO SUMMARY of what it yielded. Army evidently just wants the fans to forget about the 2023 draft and the promise and hope that it brought. That says it all in my mind. We hear about the "offer sheets" constantly. When was the last time, you heard Army or the reporter discuss the 2023 draft?

We all need to face the facts. We got nothing special in the 2023 draft.

You’ve been parroting this same nonsensical line for months now - that for some reason, Army not going into some long winded, detailed speech on the 2023 draft prospects in the same end of season presser in which he declared the “re-whatever” over, for some reason means he thinks it yielded nothing. It makes no sense and quite frankly dude, is stupid.

Why in the world would Army randomly go into some detail on the 2023 draft class at that time? He was talking high level direction of the team. He made a high level reference to the reinforcements on the way (many of which come from the 2023 draft). Who gives a flying fudge he provided NO SUMMARY for your delicate little ears? He doesn’t need to.

Whenever Army said the re-whatever was over, that clearly got you shook. Your mind has been beyond frazzled ever since. I suggest seeking help.

I mean, clearly by now you’ve noticed none of us here agree with you, right? You start a thread about Army’s 5% comment and ask if others agree with you that Army/the Blues will fail at that. Everyone disagrees with you. Then there’s a thread grading Army. Pretty much everyone gives him an A. The man has flaws and has made mistakes but you’re so caught up in the weeds that you’re clearly failing to see the big picture of what Army has done over his tenure, what he’s accomplished lately and how rosy the future looks.

In the end, if you really hate the direction of the team that much, I suggest finding a different one to follow. SJ and Chicago have the young top-5 picks you’re craving.

[BalotelliMassive]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/656796 ... prospects/

Sharks 1
Hawks 2
Mammoth 3
Ducks 4
Canadiens 5
Kraken 6
Flyers 7
Blue Jackets 8


Hawk Prospect ranking:

Connor Bedard, C
Artyom Levshunov, RHD
Anton Frondell, C
Frank Nazar, C
Kevin Korchinski, LHD
Sam Rinzel, RHD
Sacha Boisvert, C
Oliver Moore, C
Mason West, C
Colton Dach, C
Roman Kantserov, RW
Nolan Allan, LHD
Ryan Greene, C
Marek Vanacker, LW
Václav Nestrašil, RW

[STL fan in MN]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/656796 ... prospects/

Sharks 1
Hawks 2
Mammoth 3
Ducks 4
Canadiens 5
Kraken 6
Flyers 7
Blue Jackets 8


Hawk Prospect ranking:

Connor Bedard, C
Artyom Levshunov, RHD
Anton Frondell, C
Frank Nazar, C
Kevin Korchinski, LHD
Sam Rinzel, RHD
Sacha Boisvert, C
Oliver Moore, C
Mason West, C
Colton Dach, C
Roman Kantserov, RW
Nolan Allan, LHD
Ryan Greene, C
Marek Vanacker, LW
Václav Nestrašil, RW

I’m curious on your thoughts on Corey ranking Korchinski above Rinzel. Personally, I see absolutely no rational reasoning for that. I’d also have Nestrašil and Vanacker solidly higher too.