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Posted: **24 Aug 2025 22:55 pm**

cardstatman wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 22:42 pm Mozeliak served as the Cardinals' scouting director during 1999-2000, overseeing 2 draft classes that included future stars like

101.2 bWAR Albert Pujols
41.6 bWAR Yadier Molina
28.9 bWAR Coco Crisp
2.8 bWAR Chris Duncan
1.7 bWAR Mike Crudale
1.1 bWAR Bo Hart
0.6 bWAR Chris Narveson
0.4 bWAR Tyler Johnson
0.2 bWAR Ben Johnson

Lots of fans went cuckoo for at least one of these players.

I like to be remembered for that time a quarter-century ago when I was good at my job.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 08:15 am**

desertrat23 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 22:55 pm
cardstatman wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 22:42 pm Mozeliak served as the Cardinals' scouting director during 1999-2000, overseeing 2 draft classes that included future stars like

101.2 bWAR Albert Pujols
41.6 bWAR Yadier Molina
28.9 bWAR Coco Crisp
2.8 bWAR Chris Duncan
1.7 bWAR Mike Crudale
1.1 bWAR Bo Hart
0.6 bWAR Chris Narveson
0.4 bWAR Tyler Johnson
0.2 bWAR Ben Johnson

Lots of fans went cuckoo for at least one of these players.
I like to be remembered for that time a quarter-century ago when I was good at my job.

The Pujols pick was also blind luck.

If you have any inkling that Albert puts up HALF the numbers he did, there's no way you wait until the 13th round to pick him.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 09:59 am**

Pujols was selected the 13th round. NO ONE knew what he would become. A blind squirrel something something.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 10:06 am**

He served his boss and some of the customers well…

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 10:13 am**

Legacy:

He needed a TLR. But didn’t want a TLR. He wanted control. And loyalty.

I will also remember him for building incomplete rosters.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 10:21 am**

Handed the keys to a Rolls Royce franchise and by the time he retired he had driven it into a ditch.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 10:54 am**

cardstatman wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 22:42 pm Mozeliak served as the Cardinals' scouting director during 1999-2000, overseeing 2 draft classes that included future stars like

101.2 bWAR Albert Pujols
41.6 bWAR Yadier Molina
28.9 bWAR Coco Crisp
2.8 bWAR Chris Duncan
1.7 bWAR Mike Crudale
1.1 bWAR Bo Hart
0.6 bWAR Chris Narveson
0.4 bWAR Tyler Johnson
0.2 bWAR Ben Johnson

Lots of fans went cuckoo for at least one of these players.

Who cares?

Dave Karaff scouted Albert Pujols and was the primary reason the Cardinals got him... and DeWitt fired him in 2003. That's how little the Cardinals value the scouts responsible for Pujols.

So if the Cardinals don't value or care, why should fans?

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 10:56 am**

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:21 am Handed the keys to a Rolls Royce franchise and by the time he retired he had driven it into a ditch.

A ditch 500 feet deep

Mo has basically rewound ALL of the work put in over the last 30 years and returned the Cardinals to their 1994-95 shape.

In fairness, the 94-95 franchise was in a lot better shape with Lankford, Jordan, Gilkey, Mabry, Morris and Alan Benes in the system to build from. Not to mention a gold glove catcher and a hall of fame manager in Torre.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 11:42 am**

Lloyd Braun wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:56 am
rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:21 am Handed the keys to a Rolls Royce franchise and by the time he retired he had driven it into a ditch.
A ditch 500 feet deep

Mo has basically rewound ALL of the work put in over the last 30 years and returned the Cardinals to their 1994-95 shape.

In fairness, the 94-95 franchise was in a lot better shape with Lankford, Jordan, Gilkey, Mabry, Morris and Alan Benes in the system to build from. Not to mention a gold glove catcher and a hall of fame manager in Torre.

No doubt LB

This is the lowest point I've ever seen the Cardinals franchise be in my lifetime and that includes the 1970's!

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 13:07 pm**

Cranny wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 21:50 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
sp25 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 18:00 pm Great start with the moves that helped lead to the 2011 WS championship, but several poor decisions over the last years have resulted in a disfunctional franchise.
My gosh, that is 15 years ago. Cranny will like that comment since he lives in the past.
Says an 80 year old who likes to talk about all the old time players he met at card shows?

What are you talking about?

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 15:50 pm**

OldRed wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 13:07 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 21:50 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
sp25 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 18:00 pm Great start with the moves that helped lead to the 2011 WS championship, but several poor decisions over the last years have resulted in a disfunctional franchise.
My gosh, that is 15 years ago. Cranny will like that comment since he lives in the past.
Says an 80 year old who likes to talk about all the old time players he met at card shows?
What are you talking about?

You say “Cranny will like that comment since he lives on the past”. Do you even begin to realize how many times you’ve talked about your past, Red? All those card shows you’ve referred to? Don’t be two faced.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 15:56 pm**

OldRed wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 13:07 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 21:50 pm
OldRed wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
sp25 wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 18:00 pm Great start with the moves that helped lead to the 2011 WS championship, but several poor decisions over the last years have resulted in a disfunctional franchise.
My gosh, that is 15 years ago. Cranny will like that comment since he lives in the past.
Says an 80 year old who likes to talk about all the old time players he met at card shows?
What are you talking about?

The hypocrisy is breathtaking...you'll never get the last word!

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 16:30 pm**

This troll is so incredibly obvious. He’s obsessed.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 19:34 pm**

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:21 am Handed the keys to a Rolls Royce franchise and by the time he retired he had driven it into a ditch.

And the crowds are non existent...won't see fans returning unless Bloom can fix this [fustercluck] quickly.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 19:41 pm**

rockondlouie wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:21 am Handed the keys to a Rolls Royce franchise and by the time he retired he had driven it into a ditch.

His legacy was riding the coattails of Luhnow's system, TLR & Duncan's mastery, and an unreal core assembled by Jocketty.

Once those folks left, the jackass was exposed as a fraud.

Posted: **25 Aug 2025 20:43 pm**

If Mo does get a Red Jacket, it will be the least deserved one ever GIVEN!

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