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hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:09 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:31 am

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hugeCardfan wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 20:36 pm There it is. That top 14 explains why the Cards are in no hurry to bring up JJ early. I would look for some trading this winter.

Nice job cardstatman.

You don't automatically have to protect the top 14 just cause they're ranked high in the org. Nobody is going to take e.g. Randal Clemente or Jose Davila in the Rule 5. Probably not Rincon, Love, Racjic or Hansen either. So now we're down to only 8 that need to be protected.

You can lose them in the minor league portion too. Most of these aren’t AAA. They are just as lost that way and don’t have to play in the majors next year. You devalue these guys and I think out of ignorance. I understand the organization’s reluctance.

How many AA or below guys are eligible for Rule 5?

Look at cardstatman's list'

It doesn't have their levels, and at least a couple of them are wrong (e.g. Rajcic is now AAA).

So you don't know something you're lecturing me about, while saying I'm doing it out of ignorance?

Not lecturing; I accused you of devaluing the farm because you are willing to put them at risk for bringing onto the 40 man before Rule 5 is sorted.
All 14 of the players level was listed. That Rajcic is AAA doesn't mean he shouldn't be protected; only that he is subject to ML Rule 5 draft rather than minor.

Sorry that you felt insulted by my accusation but I meant it. I follow those players all year long and feel they will impact the ML team at some point. I too would like to see JJ play this year, but respect the organization's decision to protect the Rule 5 eligible.

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:13 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:09 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:31 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:28 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:49 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:42 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:30 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 20:36 pm There it is. That top 14 explains why the Cards are in no hurry to bring up JJ early. I would look for some trading this winter.

Nice job cardstatman.

You don't automatically have to protect the top 14 just cause they're ranked high in the org. Nobody is going to take e.g. Randal Clemente or Jose Davila in the Rule 5. Probably not Rincon, Love, Racjic or Hansen either. So now we're down to only 8 that need to be protected.

You can lose them in the minor league portion too. Most of these aren’t AAA. They are just as lost that way and don’t have to play in the majors next year. You devalue these guys and I think out of ignorance. I understand the organization’s reluctance.

How many AA or below guys are eligible for Rule 5?

Look at cardstatman's list'

It doesn't have their levels, and at least a couple of them are wrong (e.g. Rajcic is now AAA).

So you don't know something you're lecturing me about, while saying I'm doing it out of ignorance?

Not lecturing; I accused you of devaluing the farm because you are willing to put them at risk for bringing onto the 40 man before Rule 5 is sorted.
All 14 of the players level was listed. That Rajcic is AAA doesn't mean he shouldn't be protected; only that he is subject to ML Rule 5 draft rather than minor.

Sorry that you felt insulted by my accusation but I meant it. I follow those players all year long and feel they will impact the ML team at some point. I too would like to see JJ play this year, but respect the organization's decision to protect the Rule 5 eligible.

I was clearly asking you about the other 30 guys who didn't have their levels listed after you mentioned the minor league Rule 5.

You think I'm devaluing the farm, I think you're overvaluing it. Cards system is ranked dead middle of the pack, the 20th-50th prospects in our system are not likely to be significant losses. When's the last time the Cards lost a player to Rule 5 who amounted to anything? I can't recall anyone...

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:26 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:13 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:09 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:31 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:28 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:49 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:42 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:30 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 20:36 pm There it is. That top 14 explains why the Cards are in no hurry to bring up JJ early. I would look for some trading this winter.

Nice job cardstatman.

You don't automatically have to protect the top 14 just cause they're ranked high in the org. Nobody is going to take e.g. Randal Clemente or Jose Davila in the Rule 5. Probably not Rincon, Love, Racjic or Hansen either. So now we're down to only 8 that need to be protected.

You can lose them in the minor league portion too. Most of these aren’t AAA. They are just as lost that way and don’t have to play in the majors next year. You devalue these guys and I think out of ignorance. I understand the organization’s reluctance.

How many AA or below guys are eligible for Rule 5?

Look at cardstatman's list'

It doesn't have their levels, and at least a couple of them are wrong (e.g. Rajcic is now AAA).

So you don't know something you're lecturing me about, while saying I'm doing it out of ignorance?

Not lecturing; I accused you of devaluing the farm because you are willing to put them at risk for bringing onto the 40 man before Rule 5 is sorted.
All 14 of the players level was listed. That Rajcic is AAA doesn't mean he shouldn't be protected; only that he is subject to ML Rule 5 draft rather than minor.

Sorry that you felt insulted by my accusation but I meant it. I follow those players all year long and feel they will impact the ML team at some point. I too would like to see JJ play this year, but respect the organization's decision to protect the Rule 5 eligible.

I was clearly asking you about the other 30 guys who didn't have their levels listed after you mentioned the minor league Rule 5.

You think I'm devaluing the farm, I think you're overvaluing it. Cards system is ranked dead middle of the pack, the 20th-50th prospects in our system are not likely to be significant losses. When's the last time the Cards lost a player to Rule 5 who amounted to anything? I can't recall anyone...

There might be one or two on the other list in danger of Rule 5 loss. If you are interested, look them up yourself; not doing it for you.

We've done a pretty good job of protecting Rule 5 eligibles; no reason to stop now. It isn't my overvaluation relevant here. The team is deciding who to protect, not me.

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:42 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:26 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:13 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:09 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:31 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:28 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:49 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:42 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:30 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 20:36 pm There it is. That top 14 explains why the Cards are in no hurry to bring up JJ early. I would look for some trading this winter.

Nice job cardstatman.

You don't automatically have to protect the top 14 just cause they're ranked high in the org. Nobody is going to take e.g. Randal Clemente or Jose Davila in the Rule 5. Probably not Rincon, Love, Racjic or Hansen either. So now we're down to only 8 that need to be protected.

You can lose them in the minor league portion too. Most of these aren’t AAA. They are just as lost that way and don’t have to play in the majors next year. You devalue these guys and I think out of ignorance. I understand the organization’s reluctance.

How many AA or below guys are eligible for Rule 5?

Look at cardstatman's list'

It doesn't have their levels, and at least a couple of them are wrong (e.g. Rajcic is now AAA).

So you don't know something you're lecturing me about, while saying I'm doing it out of ignorance?

Not lecturing; I accused you of devaluing the farm because you are willing to put them at risk for bringing onto the 40 man before Rule 5 is sorted.
All 14 of the players level was listed. That Rajcic is AAA doesn't mean he shouldn't be protected; only that he is subject to ML Rule 5 draft rather than minor.

Sorry that you felt insulted by my accusation but I meant it. I follow those players all year long and feel they will impact the ML team at some point. I too would like to see JJ play this year, but respect the organization's decision to protect the Rule 5 eligible.

I was clearly asking you about the other 30 guys who didn't have their levels listed after you mentioned the minor league Rule 5.

You think I'm devaluing the farm, I think you're overvaluing it. Cards system is ranked dead middle of the pack, the 20th-50th prospects in our system are not likely to be significant losses. When's the last time the Cards lost a player to Rule 5 who amounted to anything? I can't recall anyone...

There might be one or two on the other list in danger of Rule 5 loss. If you are interested, look them up yourself; not doing it for you.

We've done a pretty good job of protecting Rule 5 eligibles; no reason to stop now. It isn't my overvaluation relevant here. The team is deciding who to protect, not me.

So again you don't know, and are speaking out of ignorance, just like you accused me of.

There's not more than 9 or 10 players they need to protect, if that. Prove me wrong if you can.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:58 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:42 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:26 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:13 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:09 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:31 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:28 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:49 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:42 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:30 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 20:36 pm There it is. That top 14 explains why the Cards are in no hurry to bring up JJ early. I would look for some trading this winter.

Nice job cardstatman.

You don't automatically have to protect the top 14 just cause they're ranked high in the org. Nobody is going to take e.g. Randal Clemente or Jose Davila in the Rule 5. Probably not Rincon, Love, Racjic or Hansen either. So now we're down to only 8 that need to be protected.

You can lose them in the minor league portion too. Most of these aren’t AAA. They are just as lost that way and don’t have to play in the majors next year. You devalue these guys and I think out of ignorance. I understand the organization’s reluctance.

How many AA or below guys are eligible for Rule 5?

Look at cardstatman's list'

It doesn't have their levels, and at least a couple of them are wrong (e.g. Rajcic is now AAA).

So you don't know something you're lecturing me about, while saying I'm doing it out of ignorance?

Not lecturing; I accused you of devaluing the farm because you are willing to put them at risk for bringing onto the 40 man before Rule 5 is sorted.
All 14 of the players level was listed. That Rajcic is AAA doesn't mean he shouldn't be protected; only that he is subject to ML Rule 5 draft rather than minor.

Sorry that you felt insulted by my accusation but I meant it. I follow those players all year long and feel they will impact the ML team at some point. I too would like to see JJ play this year, but respect the organization's decision to protect the Rule 5 eligible.

I was clearly asking you about the other 30 guys who didn't have their levels listed after you mentioned the minor league Rule 5.

You think I'm devaluing the farm, I think you're overvaluing it. Cards system is ranked dead middle of the pack, the 20th-50th prospects in our system are not likely to be significant losses. When's the last time the Cards lost a player to Rule 5 who amounted to anything? I can't recall anyone...

There might be one or two on the other list in danger of Rule 5 loss. If you are interested, look them up yourself; not doing it for you.

We've done a pretty good job of protecting Rule 5 eligibles; no reason to stop now. It isn't my overvaluation relevant here. The team is deciding who to protect, not me.

So again you don't know, and are speaking out of ignorance, just like you accused me of.

There's not more than 9 or 10 players they need to protect, if that. Prove me wrong if you can.

Don't get your panties in a bunch. You are the one contesting the team's logic for protecting Rule 5 eligibles. You prove the team wrong.

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 18:11 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:58 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:42 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:26 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:13 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 15:09 pm

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:31 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 11:28 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:49 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:42 am

3dender wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 10:30 am

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑24 Aug 2025 20:36 pm There it is. That top 14 explains why the Cards are in no hurry to bring up JJ early. I would look for some trading this winter.

Nice job cardstatman.

You don't automatically have to protect the top 14 just cause they're ranked high in the org. Nobody is going to take e.g. Randal Clemente or Jose Davila in the Rule 5. Probably not Rincon, Love, Racjic or Hansen either. So now we're down to only 8 that need to be protected.

You can lose them in the minor league portion too. Most of these aren’t AAA. They are just as lost that way and don’t have to play in the majors next year. You devalue these guys and I think out of ignorance. I understand the organization’s reluctance.

How many AA or below guys are eligible for Rule 5?

Look at cardstatman's list'

It doesn't have their levels, and at least a couple of them are wrong (e.g. Rajcic is now AAA).

So you don't know something you're lecturing me about, while saying I'm doing it out of ignorance?

Not lecturing; I accused you of devaluing the farm because you are willing to put them at risk for bringing onto the 40 man before Rule 5 is sorted.
All 14 of the players level was listed. That Rajcic is AAA doesn't mean he shouldn't be protected; only that he is subject to ML Rule 5 draft rather than minor.

Sorry that you felt insulted by my accusation but I meant it. I follow those players all year long and feel they will impact the ML team at some point. I too would like to see JJ play this year, but respect the organization's decision to protect the Rule 5 eligible.

I was clearly asking you about the other 30 guys who didn't have their levels listed after you mentioned the minor league Rule 5.

You think I'm devaluing the farm, I think you're overvaluing it. Cards system is ranked dead middle of the pack, the 20th-50th prospects in our system are not likely to be significant losses. When's the last time the Cards lost a player to Rule 5 who amounted to anything? I can't recall anyone...

There might be one or two on the other list in danger of Rule 5 loss. If you are interested, look them up yourself; not doing it for you.

We've done a pretty good job of protecting Rule 5 eligibles; no reason to stop now. It isn't my overvaluation relevant here. The team is deciding who to protect, not me.

So again you don't know, and are speaking out of ignorance, just like you accused me of.

There's not more than 9 or 10 players they need to protect, if that. Prove me wrong if you can.

Don't get your panties in a bunch. You are the one contesting the team's logic for protecting Rule 5 eligibles. You prove the team wrong.

I showed my work and stated there aren't more than 10 guys they need to protect total. You disputed it but won't elaborate. Since you keep deflecting I'll just assume it's cause you're full of [$hirt].

cardstatman wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 20:05 pm The levels in my list were from fangraphs but their information was back in early July when they last updated their Cardinal prospect list.

Anyone promoted recently has changed levels since then. I didn't know the levels were going to be scrutinized; it wasn't the main idea of the post. I was just trying to give some concrete list of players.

There are unranked players who may merit consideration for protection... like Cade Winquest or a maybe one or two others.

cardstatman wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025 20:05 pm The levels in my list were from fangraphs but their information was back in early July when they last updated their Cardinal prospect list.

Anyone promoted recently has changed levels since then. I didn't know the levels were going to be scrutinized; it wasn't the main idea of the post. I was just trying to give some concrete list of players.

There are unranked players who may merit consideration for protection... like Cade Winquest or a maybe one or two others.