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Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
by Cranny
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..
+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years
Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.
It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?
How do you define “bad”, when half the ML teams have a worse record? And the Cards are only a few games behind in the wild card race. By the way, how did you like that home run by Church? And that home run by Contreras?

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..
+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years
Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.
It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?
How do you define “bad”, when half the ML teams have a worse record? And the Cards are only a few games behind in the wild card race. By the way, how did you like that home run by Church? And that home run by Contreras?
Okay at best mediocre so people should go pay a lot of money to see mediocre lol and they’re supposed to be raising ticket prices but probably aren’t going to put a better product out for sell

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 20:51 pm
by Banner29
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..
+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years
Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.
It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?
How do you define “bad”, when half the ML teams have a worse record? And the Cards are only a few games behind in the wild card race. By the way, how did you like that home run by Church? And that home run by Contreras?
Okay at best mediocre so people should go pay a lot of money to see mediocre lol and they’re supposed to be raising ticket prices but probably aren’t going to put a better product out for sell

Yes because what if it hurts the players feelings? :o

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 20:51 pm
by WLTFE
Apparently some people support DeTwit and Mo-ran despite mediocrity...real fans want the team to get better and be fun to watch.

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 20:52 pm
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..
+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years
Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.
It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?
How do you define “bad”, when half the ML teams have a worse record? And the Cards are only a few games behind in the wild card race. By the way, how did you like that home run by Church? And that home run by Contreras?
Playing the hits on a Friday night, I see.

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 20:52 pm
by Cranny
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..
+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years
Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.
It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?
How do you define “bad”, when half the ML teams have a worse record? And the Cards are only a few games behind in the wild card race. By the way, how did you like that home run by Church? And that home run by Contreras?
Okay at best mediocre so people should go pay a lot of money to see mediocre lol and they’re supposed to be raising ticket prices but probably aren’t going to put a better product out for sell

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 20:54 pm
by Cranny
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:52 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..
+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years
Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.
It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?
How do you define “bad”, when half the ML teams have a worse record? And the Cards are only a few games behind in the wild card race. By the way, how did you like that home run by Church? And that home run by Contreras?
Okay at best mediocre so people should go pay a lot of money to see mediocre lol and they’re supposed to be raising ticket prices but probably aren’t going to put a better product out for sell
Are you sure? You have inside info on what Bloom
is going to do in the off season?

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 21:22 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:52 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..
+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years
Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.
It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?
How do you define “bad”, when half the ML teams have a worse record? And the Cards are only a few games behind in the wild card race. By the way, how did you like that home run by Church? And that home run by Contreras?
Okay at best mediocre so people should go pay a lot of money to see mediocre lol and they’re supposed to be raising ticket prices but probably aren’t going to put a better product out for sell
Are you sure? You have inside info on what Bloom
is going to do in the off season?
Bloom can only do what Dewitt lets him do. Is he going to raise payroll or keep it the same or lower it? I think Dewitt will go cheap but we will see. I’m glad mo is going and think bloom can do a good job but I’m not some naive optimist that thinks he can work miracles if Dewitt goes cheap. You know more about cards front office than anyone here are they going to go cheap or cheaper again or spend?

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 22:06 pm
by Cranny
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 21:22 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:52 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..
+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years
Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.
It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?
How do you define “bad”, when half the ML teams have a worse record? And the Cards are only a few games behind in the wild card race. By the way, how did you like that home run by Church? And that home run by Contreras?
Okay at best mediocre so people should go pay a lot of money to see mediocre lol and they’re supposed to be raising ticket prices but probably aren’t going to put a better product out for sell
Are you sure? You have inside info on what Bloom
is going to do in the off season?
Bloom can only do what Dewitt lets him do. Is he going to raise payroll or keep it the same or lower it? I think Dewitt will go cheap but we will see. I’m glad mo is going and think bloom can do a good job but I’m not some naive optimist that thinks he can work miracles if Dewitt goes cheap. You know more about cards front office than anyone here are they going to go cheap or cheaper again or spend?
Some moves don’t require a huge increase in payroll.
Like trading for a major leaguer in his pre-arbitration or arbitration years. But some posters only look at FA dollars
spent as a measure of commitment by the organization.

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 22:33 pm
by DwaininAztec
I have to admit that I have yet to make a game, but next week the weather looks go to make a game. I originally was going to make a couple of games in late April and then 3 or 4 in May. But it rained and rained and rained. No games. then in June the weather went from more rain to steaming hot, so again plans were canceled. So, I attend games because I am a Cardinal fan, and have been since the late '50. Which means I have seen many downs with some great mixed in ups.

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 22:34 pm
by Ozziesfan41
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 22:06 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 21:22 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:52 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:49 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 20:45 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 19:54 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:49 pm
Jobu's Rum wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:37 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:04 pm
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
You should be happy and applaud this
Yes…

There seems to be a lot of focus on dwindling attendance….

For those who desire a new direction for the club it’s the best news they can receive..
+1

These owners have been asleep at the wheel for years
Oh I get it. Boycott the lousy .500 team that’s going through a transition year to allow younger players to mature - in order to show utter disgust.
It’s not a boycott….it’s a personal judgement that the entertainment value is less than the cost.

Not to pry, but how many other bad products do you buy?
How do you define “bad”, when half the ML teams have a worse record? And the Cards are only a few games behind in the wild card race. By the way, how did you like that home run by Church? And that home run by Contreras?
Okay at best mediocre so people should go pay a lot of money to see mediocre lol and they’re supposed to be raising ticket prices but probably aren’t going to put a better product out for sell
Are you sure? You have inside info on what Bloom
is going to do in the off season?
Bloom can only do what Dewitt lets him do. Is he going to raise payroll or keep it the same or lower it? I think Dewitt will go cheap but we will see. I’m glad mo is going and think bloom can do a good job but I’m not some naive optimist that thinks he can work miracles if Dewitt goes cheap. You know more about cards front office than anyone here are they going to go cheap or cheaper again or spend?
Some moves don’t require a huge increase in payroll.
Like trading for a major leaguer in his pre-arbitration or arbitration years. But some posters only look at FA dollars
spent as a measure of commitment by the organization.
It’s about a commitment to winning or building to be good. I can deal with it if they trade Donovan and burly for good young high upside players I’m all for it even if they are bad next season it’s a commitment to building a winner. If they keep them don’t sign anyone major to contribute and bring back Gorman and walker to play everyday hoping and praying they break out this season it’s a commitment to mediocrity again I can’t support that

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 22:58 pm
by Bushiro
imetsatchelpaige wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:05 pm
Cranny wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
45s wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:53 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
And??
Agree. What’s the point?
The point, I believe, Cranny, is that ownership has run a first line franchise into the freaking ground in a stunningly short period of time.
Something like that.
Exactly....this is a completely different franchise....yadi stayed gone...Holliday just happened to change his mind...and Jimmy Edmonds said it cleary...it's not fun anymore...they don't make you feel like your wanted...it's not the same....it's not the same organization...and he is exactly spot on....ex players can see it and the fans can see it...

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 22 Aug 2025 23:48 pm
by CardsBest
This ownership kept Mo way to long. The city made Mozo the clown shirts about him and they still stuck with him. I have watched them the least this year of any year. The big reason for that is management. They are not trying to win and they are not trying to rebuild. They should have traded more players both young and old at the deadline. I would rather see them be mediocre or fail trying than never really trying.

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 23 Aug 2025 08:48 am
by ScotchMIrish
Matheny's last full season Cardinals were 2nd in MLB with 42K per game.

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 23 Aug 2025 10:12 am
by rockondlouie
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Exactly

This was always the ONLY way BDWJr was going to make major changes.

Re: Cardinals on pace for attendance futility not seen in 30 years

Posted: 23 Aug 2025 10:36 am
by 45s
rockondlouie wrote: 23 Aug 2025 10:12 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: 22 Aug 2025 18:02 pm
FrankTheTank wrote: 22 Aug 2025 17:45 pm https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/ca ... 04697.html
“Through 65 home games, the Cardinals have generated a total attendance of 1,873,875, based on the metric of tickets sold. Right now, that’s an average attendance of around 28,829. If that pace remains similar through the regular season’s end, the Cardinals are on pace for a season attendance of roughly 2,335,137.”
He also explained how this year’s trend would represent a historic low point for the franchise.
“That would mark the team’s lowest for a non-pandemic-restricted season since 1995, when the Cardinals drew a season attendance of 1,756,727. That season? The Cardinals only played 72 home games due to MLB scheduling arrangements out of a players’ strike and would have paced for around 1,976,318 in attendance.”
You should be happy and applaud this
Exactly

This was always the ONLY way BDWJr was going to make major changes.
Congrats to you for cancelling your tickets…

Where once you part of the problem, you are now part of the solution…