Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 09:09 am
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Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 09:15 am
I’m not justifying anything. Merely presenting the facts. Try coping better.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 08:28 amComparing ourselves to average as justification as how we got here. Our goal should be top 10-12 or even top five in the most relevant categories.nighthawk wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 08:19 am They are averaging 0.95 homers a game. In the context of this era that's low, but not that far from the league average of 1.15 a game.
Historically, it is still on the high end for the franchise and generally matches and often exceeds the team rate from 2009 to 2015. It exceeds the team rate in every year from 1882 to 1997 - a span of 115 consecutive years.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 09:16 am
Contreras May just reach 20.. needs 3 more in last 30+ games.
Should get that .. maybe 4 HR’s more
Should get that .. maybe 4 HR’s more
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 11:55 am
Not a complete overhaul.
Winn is a keeper, we have a couple of decent young starters, some promising catchers, and Donovan is a good guy to have. But we do need to stop talking about 26 and rebuild for the long haul.
If things go well, the Cards might be worth watching in 2027 or 28.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 11:58 am
I'd like to believe it, Rock. But this roster is so weak and full of holes. Unless DeWitt stops playing the [nonsense] poor card and opens the checkbook, it'll take several years. Doing this through draft alone won't be enough.
How in the world did DeWitt watch Mozeliak turn the Cardinals into the current mess and think "That guy's doing a good job"?
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 12:08 pm
I've said I think C. Bloom could pull a "Whitey-1980" like roster makeover, everyone knows it's needed!JuanAgosto wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:58 amI'd like to believe it, Rock. But this roster is so weak and full of holes. Unless DeWitt stops playing the [nonsense] poor card and opens the checkbook, it'll take several years. Doing this through draft alone won't be enough.
How in the world did DeWitt watch Mozeliak turn the Cardinals into the current mess and think "That guy's doing a good job"?
And we're in agreement about BDWJr.
I've said he has to give Bloom at least a $160M payroll or he's looking at 1.5M in attendance and losing MULTI-HUNDREDS of MILLIONS in franchise value.
Sure I'd love $180M-$200M but I'm trying to be realistic and $160M is a realistic payroll for the Cardinals.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 12:12 pm
Yeah, but you didn't look at the income statements and balance sheets. The Cardinals, under Jon, made lots of money. And that's where DeWitt's heart is.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:58 amI'd like to believe it, Rock. But this roster is so weak and full of holes. Unless DeWitt stops playing the [nonsense] poor card and opens the checkbook, it'll take several years. Doing this through draft alone won't be enough.
How in the world did DeWitt watch Mozeliak turn the Cardinals into the current mess and think "That guy's doing a good job"?
Sorry, but I don't have an emoji for this.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 12:19 pm
Right. A total rebuild is needed. Right now only the Pirates keep the Cardinals from being the worse team in the NL Central.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 12:35 pm
So comparing 28 yr. old Cal Raleigh to 25 yr. old Nolan Gorman stats, they're not as far apart as one might think.
The glaring difference is their opposite trends, plus Raleigh is a very good C at a premium position, while Gorman still lacks a good positional fit.
For their careers:
Cal's BA is .225 with Gorman's at .221.
Cal's OB% at .310 with Gorman's at 304.
Cal's OPS at .787 with Gorman's at .735.
This will be Cal's first year with a OPS over .800, with a current .944 this year.
Gorman has also had 1 plus .800 OPS with a .805 just 2 years ago.
HR trend last 4 years. Cal with 27, 30, 34 and currently 47.
.............................NG with 14, 27, 19 and currently 12.
Conclusion, well, try Gorman as a Catcher .................... ok, not really but needed a finish.
The glaring difference is their opposite trends, plus Raleigh is a very good C at a premium position, while Gorman still lacks a good positional fit.
For their careers:
Cal's BA is .225 with Gorman's at .221.
Cal's OB% at .310 with Gorman's at 304.
Cal's OPS at .787 with Gorman's at .735.
This will be Cal's first year with a OPS over .800, with a current .944 this year.
Gorman has also had 1 plus .800 OPS with a .805 just 2 years ago.
HR trend last 4 years. Cal with 27, 30, 34 and currently 47.
.............................NG with 14, 27, 19 and currently 12.
Conclusion, well, try Gorman as a Catcher .................... ok, not really but needed a finish.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 12:40 pm
160m seem realistically cheap? They made 373 million revenue and paid payroll of 160 mil in 2024...rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:08 pmI've said I think C. Bloom could pull a "Whitey-1980" like roster makeover, everyone knows it's needed!JuanAgosto wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:58 amI'd like to believe it, Rock. But this roster is so weak and full of holes. Unless DeWitt stops playing the [nonsense] poor card and opens the checkbook, it'll take several years. Doing this through draft alone won't be enough.
How in the world did DeWitt watch Mozeliak turn the Cardinals into the current mess and think "That guy's doing a good job"?
And we're in agreement about BDWJr.
I've said he has to give Bloom at least a $160M payroll or he's looking at 1.5M in attendance and losing MULTI-HUNDREDS of MILLIONS in franchise value.
Sure I'd love $180M-$200M but I'm trying to be realistic and $160M is a realistic payroll for the Cardinals.
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Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 12:45 pm
That it is club, really cheap for the STL Cardinals.Clubmaker2 wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:40 pm160m seem realistically cheap? They made 373 million revenue and paid payroll of 160 mil in 2024...rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 12:08 pmI've said I think C. Bloom could pull a "Whitey-1980" like roster makeover, everyone knows it's needed!JuanAgosto wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:58 amI'd like to believe it, Rock. But this roster is so weak and full of holes. Unless DeWitt stops playing the [nonsense] poor card and opens the checkbook, it'll take several years. Doing this through draft alone won't be enough.
How in the world did DeWitt watch Mozeliak turn the Cardinals into the current mess and think "That guy's doing a good job"?
And we're in agreement about BDWJr.
I've said he has to give Bloom at least a $160M payroll or he's looking at 1.5M in attendance and losing MULTI-HUNDREDS of MILLIONS in franchise value.
Sure I'd love $180M-$200M but I'm trying to be realistic and $160M is a realistic payroll for the Cardinals.
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But we saw this season that's exactly the direction BDWjr is going.............CHEAP!
My worst fear?
He goes even cheaper and we're looking at a $120M payroll.
He could be setting C. Bloom up for failure if he goes low.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 14:19 pm
Adlolis Garcia has hit 31, 27, 39, 25 and currently 16 since the Cardinals traded him for cash considerations.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 15:11 pm
The overhaul we've commenced so far hasn't gotten us any 35+ HR guys. Waiting isn't going to fix it. We need a different set of actions within the "overhaul".Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 11:55 amNot a complete overhaul.
Winn is a keeper, we have a couple of decent young starters, some promising catchers, and Donovan is a good guy to have. But we do need to stop talking about 26 and rebuild for the long haul.
If things go well, the Cards might be worth watching in 2027 or 28.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 15:11 pm
Gorman easily is pacing over 20 homeruns with a full seasons worth of at bats. He just was on bench then injured. Herrera would have 20 if you doubled his nunbers to 600 at bats. Burleson also has a chance for 20 this yesr if he got hot despite being benched for awhile this seaspn and he did hit 21 last year.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 20:26 pm Over 30 MLB players on pace to hit 30 HRs
Meanwhile
Burly isn't a 20 HR guy, neither is Noot
Gorman isn't even a 15 HR guy anymore. Neither is Winn, Herrera, Donny, Pages, Pozo etc. Walker and Scott barely hit any. We are 25th in HRs. None of those teams ahead of us in the HR rankings got shutout at Coors.
Willson is the only one with a decent shot to hit 20. And some of y'all want to dump his salary too. Where is the power and RBI hitting going to come from. Its not like the rest of the league doesn't have HR/RBI talent.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 15:25 pm
that's just it. We have players that can't stay healthy or can't stay in the lineup. We didn't have that problem with Pujols, or Goldy or a lot of other stars. And the rest of the league has at least 30 players who can stay healthy enough to hit NOT 20, but 30+. Some a whole lot more than 30.Wattage wrote: ↑21 Aug 2025 15:11 pmGorman easily is pacing over 20 homeruns with a full seasons worth of at bats. He just was on bench then injured. Herrera would have 20 if you doubled his nunbers to 600 at bats. Burleson also has a chance for 20 this yesr if he got hot despite being benched for awhile this seaspn and he did hit 21 last year.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 20:26 pm Over 30 MLB players on pace to hit 30 HRs
Meanwhile
Burly isn't a 20 HR guy, neither is Noot
Gorman isn't even a 15 HR guy anymore. Neither is Winn, Herrera, Donny, Pages, Pozo etc. Walker and Scott barely hit any. We are 25th in HRs. None of those teams ahead of us in the HR rankings got shutout at Coors.
Willson is the only one with a decent shot to hit 20. And some of y'all want to dump his salary too. Where is the power and RBI hitting going to come from. Its not like the rest of the league doesn't have HR/RBI talent.
Re: No one can even hit 20 HRs? Meanwhile Raleigh could hit 60, Judge, Ohtani, Schwarb 50
Posted: 21 Aug 2025 18:03 pm
So the Brewers only have Yelich above 20 HR's this year, otherwise they look pretty similar to the Cards with the HR totals, buuuuut, they sure are ahead of the Cards with team speed and SB's.
Adding Wetherholt and later Baez next year could go a long way to help the Cards close the gap. Maybe Church also to a lesser degree.
Have balanced power up and down the lineup with a good % of them that can force the issue on the bases.
Adding Wetherholt and later Baez next year could go a long way to help the Cards close the gap. Maybe Church also to a lesser degree.
Have balanced power up and down the lineup with a good % of them that can force the issue on the bases.