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PadsFS07 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:08 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:59 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:49 am It could possibly be bad for STL, but that has more to do with the city than the Cardinals. Nashville has turned itself into one of USA's premier destination cities. STL needs to right the ship on crime and have a real plan for revitalizing the city and making it a place that people want to come to.

Now, if the Cards are top-tier competitive and invest back into the franchise properly, then the Cards fanbase will turn out regardless of how (bleep) the city itself is. But if STL was revitalized and the Cards were top-tier good, then it would be off the charts for the organization.

Really. Slam stl crime while talking up Nashville?

Nashville's crime rate is higher than both the state and national averages. While the city's overall crime rate is 57.31 per 1000 people, it's important to note that the violent and property crime rates are significantly higher than the national average. Specifically, Nashville ranks 5th among U.S. cities with the highest violent crime rates, with a rate of 1,124.1 per 100,000 people according to Security.org.

I personally don't think crime is as prevalent as many people think as it's almost exclusively limited to certain sections of the city. I also don't think it deters people from coming to a ballgame as much as something like traffic or winning.

Also, one problem measuring and using crime rate is using it against a defined city population based on area, rather than the metro area. When you look at violent crime rates in cities, you always get cities like Memphis, Oakland, Detroit, St Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland, Birmingham, and Nashville now. However, by metro area, Memphis is still #1, but then it's Monroe, Anchorage, Albuquerque, Little Rock, Albany, GA, and Lubbock. Not exactly as potent of a message.

The first major baseball city in America that is on the list is Milwaukee at #25, then Houston at #35, then Nashville at #40.

Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

alw80 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:15 pm
Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Wow. The information is so readily available to you.

alw80 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:15 pm

PadsFS07 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:08 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:59 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:49 am It could possibly be bad for STL, but that has more to do with the city than the Cardinals. Nashville has turned itself into one of USA's premier destination cities. STL needs to right the ship on crime and have a real plan for revitalizing the city and making it a place that people want to come to.

Now, if the Cards are top-tier competitive and invest back into the franchise properly, then the Cards fanbase will turn out regardless of how (bleep) the city itself is. But if STL was revitalized and the Cards were top-tier good, then it would be off the charts for the organization.

Really. Slam stl crime while talking up Nashville?

Nashville's crime rate is higher than both the state and national averages. While the city's overall crime rate is 57.31 per 1000 people, it's important to note that the violent and property crime rates are significantly higher than the national average. Specifically, Nashville ranks 5th among U.S. cities with the highest violent crime rates, with a rate of 1,124.1 per 100,000 people according to Security.org.

I personally don't think crime is as prevalent as many people think as it's almost exclusively limited to certain sections of the city. I also don't think it deters people from coming to a ballgame as much as something like traffic or winning.

Also, one problem measuring and using crime rate is using it against a defined city population based on area, rather than the metro area. When you look at violent crime rates in cities, you always get cities like Memphis, Oakland, Detroit, St Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland, Birmingham, and Nashville now. However, by metro area, Memphis is still #1, but then it's Monroe, Anchorage, Albuquerque, Little Rock, Albany, GA, and Lubbock. Not exactly as potent of a message.

The first major baseball city in America that is on the list is Milwaukee at #25, then Houston at #35, then Nashville at #40.

Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Is it? I moved away from St Louis due to crime and I will not return. Don't even like to visit.

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:11 am The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Would a Chevy be as good if it were the only manufacturer?

Why can't competition benefit the fanbase?

kyace wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:09 pm Nashville is the place to go if you want to get drunk and/or listen to country music. Outside of sports that’s about it.
Plus it has a huge traffic issue as it has vastly outgrown its traffic design. However it is half the distance for me to travel for a game so it would depend on where they would build the new stadium. They are building a new football stadium downtown so not a lot of space left there.

They are looking at putting it right next to the football stadium. Basically, where that river scrapyard is. The other location is over by Tennessee State, along the river there.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:20 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:15 pm
Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Wow. The information is so readily available to you.

As we've learned all stats are fake.

Not sure Nashville even gets a team, BDWJr (very powerful among owners) won't let it happen w/o a fight.

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:11 am The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Like all businesses, the best thing for the consumer is competition. If the geographic fan base shrinks, it forces the Cardinals to make a change to their product to draw in more local customers. A team in Nashville would be a good thing for Cardinal fans.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:20 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:15 pm
Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Wow. The information is so readily available to you.

You’re not getting an intelligent reply from that idiot.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:17 am

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:11 am The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

I guess I look at sports attendance differently. First, I don't think that this is a zero sum game. Good baseball attracts more fans to the game. A rising tide raises all ships. If Nashville gets an expansion team, good on them. I wish them well. If they put a good product on the field, they will get fans.

Second, I think the Cards' biggest competition is the other places that people in and around St. Louis can spend their disposable income. If the Cards are putting out an exciting, competitive product, the fans will come, and more Cards fans will be born.

Well said.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 14:26 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:20 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:15 pm
Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Wow. The information is so readily available to you.

You’re not getting an intelligent reply from that idiot.

And he's proven it ad nauseum.

Another CA (donkey)(pit).

I've lived in Nashville for 21 years now and I don't see it possible for the city to support an MLB team. In my opinion the traffic is absolutely ridiculous already and they do not have the infrastructure in place to support more traffic. As others have already pointed out, they are building a new football stadium that will be ready by 2027. There is also no transit system like other cities have to go to and from lengthy distances. I think it would be feasible to go a little further outside of metro Nashville but there would be much fewer night life attractions in those areas (bars/restaurants) to attract patrons. Based on my observations and experience I would say that Nashville downtown is much safer than St. Louis downtown. Again this is my opinion only based on the times I have been to both cities during night time sporting events over the last 25 years.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 14:11 pm Not sure Nashville even gets a team, BDWJr (very powerful among owners) won't let it happen w/o a fight.

Couldn't tell that by how he runs his baseball team.

11WSChamps wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 14:36 pm

Bomber1 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 14:26 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:20 pm

alw80 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:15 pm
Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Wow. The information is so readily available to you.

You’re not getting an intelligent reply from that idiot.

And he's proven it ad nauseum.

Another CA (donkey)(pit).

OH LOOK, JUST ONE OF THE MANY LOSERS AND HATERS OF THE STL FORUMS.

I am a cards fan. I am 3.5 hours to Nashville . 4.5 to Cincinnati, 3.5 Atlanta
If I go there is to see St Louis play. St Louis is about 9 hours
What I don't like is I am blackout for Atlanta and Cincinnati

alw80 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:15 pm Crime is overblown by a certain political party just like fetanyl to divide people with fear.

Nice narrative. Right out of the playbook. Just make stuff up…then rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat…until the uninformed & gullible start believing the garbage. Waiting patiently for more of your gaslighting.