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Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 10:18 am

3dender wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:58 am

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:55 am

3dender wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:52 am Why are you assuring Walker a starting spot but not Gorman, who is a significantly better hitter?

I just don't see any chance that the team doesn't give Walker 1 more year. Not saying it is right or wrong, but they are going to play him every day in 2026. Also, from what we have seen from Gorman at 3b, you cannot play him everyday at that position.

If they're smart they will start Walker in AAA next year and not promote him until he shows he can do some actual slugging.

This. Walker has one more minor league option. I'm okay with Walker starting the year in St Louis if he is the best right fielder they have, but we can't do next year what we did this year. In spring training he needs to "make" the team and if he doesn't, they need to use the minor league option. If they use the minor league option they shouldn't bring him back unless his play forces them to. If he doesn't get to that point they have some hard decisions to make the following winter.

Cusecards wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:05 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 10:33 am Seems like some are seeking a 1 year fix for the Cardinals.
Feel they will be very disappointed if they think a few moves will fix things. 2026 will be just the start of the changes.
This rebuild is going to take more time than one year.

Bloom/Cerfolio will be attempting to improve the team for the long term.

Those with limited patience will be quite frustrated.
Sure some on CT will evaluate Bloom after the Winter Meetings and make a final determination on his POBO ability based on that.

For me, I am looking forward to hearing what his long term plan is to make Cardinals playoff competitive again. That should come in early November.

+1

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:29 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:05 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 10:33 am Seems like some are seeking a 1 year fix for the Cardinals.
Feel they will be very disappointed if they think a few moves will fix things. 2026 will be just the start of the changes.
This rebuild is going to take more time than one year.

Bloom/Cerfolio will be attempting to improve the team for the long term.

Those with limited patience will be quite frustrated.
Sure some on CT will evaluate Bloom after the Winter Meetings and make a final determination on his POBO ability based on that.

For me, I am looking forward to hearing what his long term plan is to make Cardinals playoff competitive again. That should come in early November.

+1

Let's hope Bloom doesn't perform a Mozeliak and finish his offseason work in early November. A trade or trades must be made to acquire at least one starting pitcher. And not the Mo version of a starter. We need a bonafide upper rotation guy. After that, a bat would help. Preferably at one of 2b, 3b, or OF.

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:44 am This will not happen with our current ownership, but here is what I'd do.

1) Sign Kyle Tucker. He is having a down year in Chicago, but I think he could be had for 10/300. That would take him to his age 38 season. I don't think it's risky, he's really good, not sure what went wrong for him in Chicago though.

2) Trade Noot + Donovan to Seattle for 1 of their SP's. Woo, Giilbert, Kirby, Bryce Miller...

3) Sign Muncy or Story to play 3B. 2/30 would get either, maybe 2/35.

4) Find a way to deal Arenado, return doesn't matter.

These moves don't make us world beaters, and the rotation isn't great but I think they'd compete for a WC spot.

2B - Wetherholt
SS - Winn
RF - Tucker
3B Story/Muncy
DH - Herrera/Burly
1B - Contreras/Burly
LF - Walker
C - Crooks
CF - Scott

SP - Woo/Gilbert/Kirby/Miller
SP - Gray
SP - Libby
SP - Matthews
SP - McGreevy

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 14:34 pm

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:44 am This will not happen with our current ownership, but here is what I'd do.

1) Sign Kyle Tucker. He is having a down year in Chicago, but I think he could be had for 10/300. That would take him to his age 38 season. I don't think it's risky, he's really good, not sure what went wrong for him in Chicago though.

2) Trade Noot + Donovan to Seattle for 1 of their SP's. Woo, Giilbert, Kirby, Bryce Miller...

3) Sign Muncy or Story to play 3B. 2/30 would get either, maybe 2/35.

4) Find a way to deal Arenado, return doesn't matter.

These moves don't make us world beaters, and the rotation isn't great but I think they'd compete for a WC spot.

2B - Wetherholt
SS - Winn
RF - Tucker
3B Story/Muncy
DH - Herrera/Burly
1B - Contreras/Burly
LF - Walker
C - Crooks
CF - Scott

SP - Woo/Gilbert/Kirby/Miller
SP - Gray
SP - Libby
SP - Matthews
SP - McGreevy

This is exactly how the Cards got themselves into this situation to begin with, they traded talent, received / signed aging players in return onto a team not good enough to win. The above team is better than what we have, but has aging talent at 3B, an overpay in RF and a pitching staff not good enough to win. If we can all be patient and wait 1 more year, the Gray contract will be gone. The Cards might be enticed to buy out Arenado if they cannot trade him before 2027. Donovan will still be good. I would like to see them trade a bunch of the current ML roster and try to get 2 Woo level pitchers. Hopefully Doyle will be strong by 2027. Then they can have 2 of Libby, McGreevy and Matthews as the 4 and 5 starters. That is a staff good enough to win. Wetherholdt, Winn, Donovan and maybe Herrera at 1B. Scott or Church in CF and either players that emerge in LF and RF or Burleson plus a big free agent signing. But, Tucker I do not want yet. Story and Muncy I never want.

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:44 am This will not happen with our current ownership, but here is what I'd do.

1) Sign Kyle Tucker. He is having a down year in Chicago, but I think he could be had for 10/300. That would take him to his age 38 season. I don't think it's risky, he's really good, not sure what went wrong for him in Chicago though.

2) Trade Noot + Donovan to Seattle for 1 of their SP's. Woo, Giilbert, Kirby, Bryce Miller...

3) Sign Muncy or Story to play 3B. 2/30 would get either, maybe 2/35.

4) Find a way to deal Arenado, return doesn't matter.

These moves don't make us world beaters, and the rotation isn't great but I think they'd compete for a WC spot.

2B - Wetherholt
SS - Winn
RF - Tucker
3B Story/Muncy
DH - Herrera/Burly
1B - Contreras/Burly
LF - Walker
C - Crooks
CF - Scott

SP - Woo/Gilbert/Kirby/Miller
SP - Gray
SP - Libby
SP - Matthews
SP - McGreevy

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:44 am This will not happen with our current ownership, but here is what I'd do.

1) Sign Kyle Tucker. He is having a down year in Chicago, but I think he could be had for 10/300. That would take him to his age 38 season. I don't think it's risky, he's really good, not sure what went wrong for him in Chicago though.

2) Trade Noot + Donovan to Seattle for 1 of their SP's. Woo, Giilbert, Kirby, Bryce Miller...

3) Sign Muncy or Story to play 3B. 2/30 would get either, maybe 2/35.

4) Find a way to deal Arenado, return doesn't matter.

These moves don't make us world beaters, and the rotation isn't great but I think they'd compete for a WC spot.

2B - Wetherholt
SS - Winn
RF - Tucker
3B Story/Muncy
DH - Herrera/Burly
1B - Contreras/Burly
LF - Walker
C - Crooks
CF - Scott

SP - Woo/Gilbert/Kirby/Miller
SP - Gray
SP - Libby
SP - Matthews
SP - McGreevy

jbrach wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 16:39 pm

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:44 am This will not happen with our current ownership, but here is what I'd do.

1) Sign Kyle Tucker. He is having a down year in Chicago, but I think he could be had for 10/300. That would take him to his age 38 season. I don't think it's risky, he's really good, not sure what went wrong for him in Chicago though.

2) Trade Noot + Donovan to Seattle for 1 of their SP's. Woo, Giilbert, Kirby, Bryce Miller...

3) Sign Muncy or Story to play 3B. 2/30 would get either, maybe 2/35.

4) Find a way to deal Arenado, return doesn't matter.

These moves don't make us world beaters, and the rotation isn't great but I think they'd compete for a WC spot.

2B - Wetherholt
SS - Winn
RF - Tucker
3B Story/Muncy
DH - Herrera/Burly
1B - Contreras/Burly
LF - Walker
C - Crooks
CF - Scott

SP - Woo/Gilbert/Kirby/Miller
SP - Gray
SP - Libby
SP - Matthews
SP - McGreevy

personally I wouldnt sign anyone for 10 yrs but certainly not tucker...people here amaze me...arendado is 34 and we cant give him away yet this guy wants to commit to 10 yrs of tucker until 38....no matter how many of these contracts become complete disasters people can olny look ahead and year in calling to sign 10 yr deals without thinking of the disaster down the road

Cusecards wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 14:04 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:29 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:05 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 10:33 am Seems like some are seeking a 1 year fix for the Cardinals.
Feel they will be very disappointed if they think a few moves will fix things. 2026 will be just the start of the changes.
This rebuild is going to take more time than one year.

Bloom/Cerfolio will be attempting to improve the team for the long term.

Those with limited patience will be quite frustrated.
Sure some on CT will evaluate Bloom after the Winter Meetings and make a final determination on his POBO ability based on that.

For me, I am looking forward to hearing what his long term plan is to make Cardinals playoff competitive again. That should come in early November.

+1

Let's hope Bloom doesn't perform a Mozeliak and finish his offseason work in early November. A trade or trades must be made to acquire at least one starting pitcher. And not the Mo version of a starter. We need a bonafide upper rotation guy. After that, a bat would help. Preferably at one of 2b, 3b, or OF.

From what I read Bloom has had success with developing farm systems.
The Cards badly need to upgrade and develop in their system.
2024 & 2025 drafts look promising. Hopefully those picks develop and more to follow?

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:44 am This will not happen with our current ownership, but here is what I'd do.

1) Sign Kyle Tucker. He is having a down year in Chicago, but I think he could be had for 10/300. That would take him to his age 38 season. I don't think it's risky, he's really good, not sure what went wrong for him in Chicago though.

2) Trade Noot + Donovan to Seattle for 1 of their SP's. Woo, Giilbert, Kirby, Bryce Miller...

3) Sign Muncy or Story to play 3B. 2/30 would get either, maybe 2/35.

4) Find a way to deal Arenado, return doesn't matter.

These moves don't make us world beaters, and the rotation isn't great but I think they'd compete for a WC spot.

2B - Wetherholt
SS - Winn
RF - Tucker
3B Story/Muncy
DH - Herrera/Burly
1B - Contreras/Burly
LF - Walker
C - Crooks
CF - Scott

SP - Woo/Gilbert/Kirby/Miller
SP - Gray
SP - Libby
SP - Matthews
SP - McGreevy

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 14:04 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:29 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:05 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 10:33 am Seems like some are seeking a 1 year fix for the Cardinals.
Feel they will be very disappointed if they think a few moves will fix things. 2026 will be just the start of the changes.
This rebuild is going to take more time than one year.

Bloom/Cerfolio will be attempting to improve the team for the long term.

Those with limited patience will be quite frustrated.
Sure some on CT will evaluate Bloom after the Winter Meetings and make a final determination on his POBO ability based on that.

For me, I am looking forward to hearing what his long term plan is to make Cardinals playoff competitive again. That should come in early November.

+1

Let's hope Bloom doesn't perform a Mozeliak and finish his offseason work in early November. A trade or trades must be made to acquire at least one starting pitcher. And not the Mo version of a starter. We need a bonafide upper rotation guy. After that, a bat would help. Preferably at one of 2b, 3b, or OF.

From what I read Bloom has had success with developing farm systems.
The Cards badly need to upgrade and develop in their system.
2024 & 2025 drafts look promising. Hopefully those picks develop and more to follow?

Yes, Bloom was hired to strengthen the farm system. It is something BDW has wanted to do for a decade. But Johnny bow ties was inept and let the minor league system deteriorate. Its astonishing that someone could be so bad at their job and not be fired. Its one thing to have a weak farm system if you sign any free agents that fill needs. Mozeliak has been exceptionally bad at that too. The man is a lazy, arrogant, inept, fool. Bloom should be a great change.

Absolut wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:45 am Saw a report projecting Tucker at 400m

Cusecards wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 19:05 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 18:02 pm

Cusecards wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 14:04 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:29 am

Cusecards wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 11:05 am

ramfandan wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 10:33 am Seems like some are seeking a 1 year fix for the Cardinals.
Feel they will be very disappointed if they think a few moves will fix things. 2026 will be just the start of the changes.
This rebuild is going to take more time than one year.

Bloom/Cerfolio will be attempting to improve the team for the long term.

Those with limited patience will be quite frustrated.
Sure some on CT will evaluate Bloom after the Winter Meetings and make a final determination on his POBO ability based on that.

For me, I am looking forward to hearing what his long term plan is to make Cardinals playoff competitive again. That should come in early November.

+1

Let's hope Bloom doesn't perform a Mozeliak and finish his offseason work in early November. A trade or trades must be made to acquire at least one starting pitcher. And not the Mo version of a starter. We need a bonafide upper rotation guy. After that, a bat would help. Preferably at one of 2b, 3b, or OF.

From what I read Bloom has had success with developing farm systems.
The Cards badly need to upgrade and develop in their system.
2024 & 2025 drafts look promising. Hopefully those picks develop and more to follow?

Yes, Bloom was hired to strengthen the farm system. It is something BDW has wanted to do for a decade. But Johnny bow ties was inept and let the minor league system deteriorate. Its astonishing that someone could be so bad at their job and not be fired. Its one thing to have a weak farm system if you sign any free agents that fill needs. Mozeliak has been exceptionally bad at that too. The man is a lazy, arrogant, inept, fool. Bloom should be a great change.

Fingers crossed.
Cards do have money to spend on FA’s but have to be judicious.
Especially in developing pitching!

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:55 am

3dender wrote: ↑18 Aug 2025 09:52 am Why are you assuring Walker a starting spot but not Gorman, who is a significantly better hitter?

I just don't see any chance that the team doesn't give Walker 1 more year. Not saying it is right or wrong, but they are going to play him every day in 2026. Also, from what we have seen from Gorman at 3b, you cannot play him everyday at that position.