The “Rot” has set in

[desertrat23]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

What a drama queen.

You disagree?

[desertrat23]

I’ve seen five and that ain’t nearly enough!

Nice to see some longtime fans still have a competitive drive. Share your secret with Bill DeWitt. (And Cranny, for that matter.)

[ramfandan]

I thought Waino’s answer to AJ’s question was more telling than he might have meant to say!
He said, in case you missed it, was that yes, they needed to improve the minors, like they say they are trying to do. But, then he said, they needed to augment that with some veteran players to help lead and show the young guys the proper way.
Sounded like he was admitting that they didn’t currently have that!

Well this team did sign Matt Carpenter and SS Crawford as vets.
How did that help the team ? Did those signings help our young players? Questionable

[hugeCardfan]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

What a drama queen.

You disagree?

I'm just as disgusted with the Schildt firing as anybody, but, yes, I disagree with the disaster prediction. I think Chaim will work out of it....and we have some of the parts fitting into place. Watch the International moves closely. I'm not falling on my sword.

[Baseball Dude]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

What a drama queen.

You disagree?

I'm just as disgusted with the Schildt firing as anybody, but, yes, I disagree with the disaster prediction. I think Chaim will work out of it....and we have some of the parts fitting into place. Watch the International moves closely. I'm not falling on my sword.

No pitching in the minors, no power in the minors. JJ and Doyle are not enough to turn this franchise around. There are not enough 3-4-5 starters in the system to round out a rotation with a sub 4.5-5.0 era. There a not a 20+ HR guy outside JJ in the entire system. We are devoid of impact players, and our system has devolved to pumping out 260/320/400 players like Donovan who can not lead a team but are nice pieces to winning franchises.

[MizTruBlueLuvzU]

This team is boring af, and generally just a super mediocre baseball team. Not a marmol fan, but he's been respectable with a roster that just won't cut it. Let's hold off on the super doom and gloom [shirt] until we see what Bloom does this off season. We have about half of a viable lineup, 2 ok starters, and around 3 or so relievers that are major league caliber. JJ, and the pitcher we drafted outta Tenn are very exciting prospects. Gotta at least give Chaim a chance.

[Baseball Dude]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

What a drama queen.

You disagree?

I'm just as disgusted with the Schildt firing as anybody, but, yes, I disagree with the disaster prediction. I think Chaim will work out of it....and we have some of the parts fitting into place. Watch the International moves closely. I'm not falling on my sword.

I have hope for Chaim, he needs a long runway, especially when it comes to developing the minors. His track record is not fantastic, but I will give him the benefit of doubt. He has not thought of highly either Tampa Bay or Boston. Time will tell how he is remembered in St. Louis.

[hugeCardfan]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

What a drama queen.

You disagree?

I'm just as disgusted with the Schildt firing as anybody, but, yes, I disagree with the disaster prediction. I think Chaim will work out of it....and we have some of the parts fitting into place. Watch the International moves closely. I'm not falling on my sword.

No pitching in the minors, no power in the minors. JJ and Doyle are not enough to turn this franchise around. There are not enough 3-4-5 starters in the system to round out a rotation with a sub 4.5-5.0 era. There a not a 20+ HR guy outside JJ in the entire system. We are devoid of impact players, and our system has devolved to pumping out 260/320/400 players like Donovan who can not lead a team but are nice pieces to winning franchises.

That's a load of cr@p. There is pitching in the minors; not only Mathews but Ixan Hernandez...among others. Baez and Rainiel Rodriguez both look like they have power to burn. Bernal is a star in the making and will hit 20 + HRs in a couple years. Church is a doubles machine and likely 15-20 HRs.. I'm not writing off Hjerpe, Hence, McGreevy, Chen Wei-Lin, or Roby as starters or bullpen studs. Gastelum may turn into a closer extraordinaire with a world class change up....

Just because you don't know the farm doesn't mean you get to write it off.

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And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

What a drama queen.

You disagree?

I'm just as disgusted with the Schildt firing as anybody, but, yes, I disagree with the disaster prediction. I think Chaim will work out of it....and we have some of the parts fitting into place. Watch the International moves closely. I'm not falling on my sword.

No pitching in the minors, no power in the minors. JJ and Doyle are not enough to turn this franchise around. There are not enough 3-4-5 starters in the system to round out a rotation with a sub 4.5-5.0 era. There a not a 20+ HR guy outside JJ in the entire system. We are devoid of impact players, and our system has devolved to pumping out 260/320/400 players like Donovan who can not lead a team but are nice pieces to winning franchises.

That's a load of cr@p. There is pitching in the minors; not only Mathews but Ixan Hernandez...among others. Baez and Rainiel Rodriguez both look like they have power to burn. Bernal is a star in the making and will hit 20 + HRs in a couple years. Church is a doubles machine and likely 15-20 HRs.. I'm not writing off Hjerpe, Hence, McGreevy, Chen Wei-Lin, or Roby as starters or bullpen studs. Gastelum may turn into a closer extraordinaire with a world class change up....

Just because you don't know the farm doesn't mean you get to write it off.

A lot of names, but how many are regarded as Top 100 prospects? JJ, Doyle, Bernal, Rodriguez, according to MLB Pipeline. And 2 are catchers.

[RamFan08NY]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

What a drama queen.

You disagree?

I'm just as disgusted with the Schildt firing as anybody, but, yes, I disagree with the disaster prediction. I think Chaim will work out of it....and we have some of the parts fitting into place. Watch the International moves closely. I'm not falling on my sword.

No pitching in the minors, no power in the minors. JJ and Doyle are not enough to turn this franchise around. There are not enough 3-4-5 starters in the system to round out a rotation with a sub 4.5-5.0 era. There a not a 20+ HR guy outside JJ in the entire system. We are devoid of impact players, and our system has devolved to pumping out 260/320/400 players like Donovan who can not lead a team but are nice pieces to winning franchises.

That's a load of cr@p. There is pitching in the minors; not only Mathews but Ixan Hernandez...among others. Baez and Rainiel Rodriguez both look like they have power to burn. Bernal is a star in the making and will hit 20 + HRs in a couple years. Church is a doubles machine and likely 15-20 HRs.. I'm not writing off Hjerpe, Hence, McGreevy, Chen Wei-Lin, or Roby as starters or bullpen studs. Gastelum may turn into a closer extraordinaire with a world class change up....

Just because you don't know the farm doesn't mean you get to write it off.

A lot of names, but how many are regarded as Top 100 prospects? JJ, Doyle, Bernal, Rodriguez, according to MLB Pipeline. And 2 are catchers.

Minor league player rankings are not the end-all. I believe the Cardinals had a player in the lineup tonight that was ranked top 3 at one point. Maybe even 1. That ranking hasn't proved much yet.

Yes, they do have a lot of potential in the minors, as a previous poster listed names. The Cardinals just need to better execute with them. There's probably a couple of them who should have been up instead of Siani and Hamp.

Gotta hope the bext regime puts better prospects, in a better position to contribute and succeed.

And, I've seen every Cardinal WS since 67, and I'm hoping to see another, but I'm also a realist. They're bever going to spend with LA and NY, so I'd even be happy with a deep playoff run.

[1983cougar]

I am 67 years old and have seen a few ws champs and quite a few other good and maybe even a couple of great teams. I'm really not that concerned if they win another ws although like most of the people on this forum it would be nice. What saddens me is that they are not even trying. For the past few years it seems like all they have tried to do is be good enough to win a mediocre division and then take their chances in the playoffs. It's always possible to win if you make the playoffs but it's not likely. I will still follow them and root for them because I am a Cardinals fan and proud of it!

[hugeCardfan]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

What a drama queen.

You disagree?

I'm just as disgusted with the Schildt firing as anybody, but, yes, I disagree with the disaster prediction. I think Chaim will work out of it....and we have some of the parts fitting into place. Watch the International moves closely. I'm not falling on my sword.

No pitching in the minors, no power in the minors. JJ and Doyle are not enough to turn this franchise around. There are not enough 3-4-5 starters in the system to round out a rotation with a sub 4.5-5.0 era. There a not a 20+ HR guy outside JJ in the entire system. We are devoid of impact players, and our system has devolved to pumping out 260/320/400 players like Donovan who can not lead a team but are nice pieces to winning franchises.

That's a load of cr@p. There is pitching in the minors; not only Mathews but Ixan Hernandez...among others. Baez and Rainiel Rodriguez both look like they have power to burn. Bernal is a star in the making and will hit 20 + HRs in a couple years. Church is a doubles machine and likely 15-20 HRs.. I'm not writing off Hjerpe, Hence, McGreevy, Chen Wei-Lin, or Roby as starters or bullpen studs. Gastelum may turn into a closer extraordinaire with a world class change up....

Just because you don't know the farm doesn't mean you get to write it off.

A lot of names, but how many are regarded as Top 100 prospects? JJ, Doyle, Bernal, Rodriguez, according to MLB Pipeline. And 2 are catchers.

Mathews is #2 our system. I like his chances. Rodriguez can play anywhere with his power and he has plenty of time to find another position if so deemed.

I challenged the erroneous suggestion that we have no power on the farm. Hence was a top 100 when healthy. They don't have to be top 100's to be productive.

[hugeCardfan]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

What a drama queen.

You disagree?

I'm just as disgusted with the Schildt firing as anybody, but, yes, I disagree with the disaster prediction. I think Chaim will work out of it....and we have some of the parts fitting into place. Watch the International moves closely. I'm not falling on my sword.

No pitching in the minors, no power in the minors. JJ and Doyle are not enough to turn this franchise around. There are not enough 3-4-5 starters in the system to round out a rotation with a sub 4.5-5.0 era. There a not a 20+ HR guy outside JJ in the entire system. We are devoid of impact players, and our system has devolved to pumping out 260/320/400 players like Donovan who can not lead a team but are nice pieces to winning franchises.

That's a load of cr@p. There is pitching in the minors; not only Mathews but Ixan Hernandez...among others. Baez and Rainiel Rodriguez both look like they have power to burn. Bernal is a star in the making and will hit 20 + HRs in a couple years. Church is a doubles machine and likely 15-20 HRs.. I'm not writing off Hjerpe, Hence, McGreevy, Chen Wei-Lin, or Roby as starters or bullpen studs. Gastelum may turn into a closer extraordinaire with a world class change up....

Just because you don't know the farm doesn't mean you get to write it off.

A lot of names, but how many are regarded as Top 100 prospects? JJ, Doyle, Bernal, Rodriguez, according to MLB Pipeline. And 2 are catchers.

Minor league player rankings are not the end-all. I believe the Cardinals had a player in the lineup tonight that was ranked top 3 at one point. Maybe even 1. That ranking hasn't proved much yet.

Yes, they do have a lot of potential in the minors, as a previous poster listed names. The Cardinals just need to better execute with them. There's probably a couple of them who should have been up instead of Siani and Hamp.

Gotta hope the bext regime puts better prospects, in a better position to contribute and succeed.

And, I've seen every Cardinal WS since 67, and I'm hoping to see another, but I'm also a realist. They're bever going to spend with LA and NY, so I'd even be happy with a deep playoff run.

Neither the Yankees nor the Dodgers are leading their own division despite spending $400M payroll. Let's see how we do before hoisting ourselves on our own petards.

The Brewers show us that you don't have to spend egregiously; just smart.

[imadangman]

I thought Waino’s answer to AJ’s question was more telling than he might have meant to say!
He said, in case you missed it, was that yes, they needed to improve the minors, like they say they are trying to do. But, then he said, they needed to augment that with some veteran players to help lead and show the young guys the proper way.
Sounded like he was admitting that they didn’t currently have that!

I think that's very obvious. They'll have to turn to outside the organization for a bigtime starter and most likely a veteran outfielder before they return to contention. They'll also need to start this offseason by sorting through the 1B/LF/DH mess. 1 or 2 players will need to go and if Bloom is adept he should be looking for MLB level SP in return.

I don't think the OP is correct. There is a chance that Winn, Donovan, Herrera, Wetherholt, or even Walker could be part of a future deep playoff run team.

[Imperial Capitalist]

And it is deep. This is many years in the making, course correction is too late. There is not a player on the current roster that will be part of the next generation of winning teams. Think 88-94 seasons minus Ozzie.

This team doesn’t know how to work together or pick each other up. That is something that doesn’t come time with time, it starts from the beginning.

We are in for what will be the most volatile 5-7 years in Cardinals history.

This could have been fixed 3-4 years ago, but the last “Cardinals way” manager was run out of town for not agreeing with a GM stuck a decade in the past.

I’m glad I’m young enough to see the next generation of winning, I feel bad for my dad and others that won’t get to see it.

Your dad and others his age have already seen multiple World Championships.

So they don’t need any more, right?

I go to games because I played the sport and enjoy the sport. I’ve watched the Cardinals in 10 World Series appearances and 5 World Championships.

My happiness isn’t contingent on seeing more.

Main enjoyment comes from seeing the young guys coming up like Gorman, Walker,
Winn, etc.

A direct quote from Cranny on what he likes most about Cardinal baseball...and what he couldn't care less about.

[JuanAgosto]

I thought Waino’s answer to AJ’s question was more telling than he might have meant to say!
He said, in case you missed it, was that yes, they needed to improve the minors, like they say they are trying to do. But, then he said, they needed to augment that with some veteran players to help lead and show the young guys the proper way.
Sounded like he was admitting that they didn’t currently have that!

I thought the manager and coaching staff were responsible for establishing a culture, preparing players, and giving tutalege to young players. Mo tried the old geezer option and it didn't work.