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If we're talking 2026, then 100%.

-Leahy is being converted to a starter this winter.

-Doyle should be on the fast track to St. Louis, could even break camp with a great spring.

-"Q" is very close, should be up some time in 2026 if he's throwing well at Memphis.

Pallante must go, he's JAG.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 09:34 am

jbrach wrote: ↑15 Aug 2025 19:43 pm pallante simply cant get anyone out and mikolas as well...

The idiocy, laziness, and general buffoonery of John Mozeliak cannot be overstated.

18 years with the final say in all baseball decisions and he can’t provide his manager with 5 ML-worthy starting pitchers.

During the 2023-2024 offseason he had to sign 3 FA starters just to have a 5-man rotation for ‘24 and “in order to give the youngsters time to develop”.

And the only guy who has developed enough to actually provide non-laughable ML innings is McGreevy.

It truly is a ridiculous situation.

this X 1,000,000

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:05 am If we're talking 2026, then 100%.

-Leahy is being converted to a starter this winter.

-Doyle should be on the fast track to St. Louis, could even break camp with a great spring.

-"Q" is very close, should be up some time in 2026 if he's throwing well at Memphis.

Pallante must go, he's JAG.

It would be a bonanza if Doyle is ready out of spring training26.

Jatalk wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 08:11 am Both Libby and Pallante have pitched more innings than any other year. Can that have something to do with the drop off?

A voice of reason!! Is anyone surprised that they are starting to wear down after being pushed more than before?

I don't follow the minors closely but I think Roby just had surgery and Hence is regularly injured.

I don't think we have anything close to ready in the minors for starting pitchers but then I looked at McGreevy's milb numbers and didn't think he would do well in MLB and he seems to be doing well.

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:16 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:05 am If we're talking 2026, then 100%.

-Leahy is being converted to a starter this winter.

-Doyle should be on the fast track to St. Louis, could even break camp with a great spring.

-"Q" is very close, should be up some time in 2026 if he's throwing well at Memphis.

Pallante must go, he's JAG.

It would be a bonanza if Doyle is ready out of spring training26.

Small chance but it would be indeed

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 12:24 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:16 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:05 am If we're talking 2026, then 100%.

-Leahy is being converted to a starter this winter.

-Doyle should be on the fast track to St. Louis, could even break camp with a great spring.

-"Q" is very close, should be up some time in 2026 if he's throwing well at Memphis.

Pallante must go, he's JAG.

It would be a bonanza if Doyle is ready out of spring training26.

Small chance but it would be indeed

Rock
Why would the team want to convert Leah’s to a starter.
He hasn’t started much since 2022 in the minors.
He his having success now in his role in middle relief.
It would take a couple years to build up his innings since he hasn’t started since 2022.

Slip Kid wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 12:33 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 12:24 pm

Shady wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:16 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 10:05 am If we're talking 2026, then 100%.

-Leahy is being converted to a starter this winter.

-Doyle should be on the fast track to St. Louis, could even break camp with a great spring.

-"Q" is very close, should be up some time in 2026 if he's throwing well at Memphis.

Pallante must go, he's JAG.

It would be a bonanza if Doyle is ready out of spring training26.

Small chance but it would be indeed

Rock
Why would the team want to convert Leah’s to a starter.
He hasn’t started much since 2022 in the minors.
He his having success now in his role in middle relief.
It would take a couple years to build up his innings since he hasn’t started since 2022.

That's the word we're getting Slip, he's going to be given a shot at starting in 2026.

Libby wasn't converted to starting until the last week of spring training and he's already at 117 innings (but showings signs of fatigue after 50+ pitches even though he say's he feels strong).

Leahy does seem to have a strong arm, currently at 66 IP and showing no signs of fatigue.

He did throw 141 Innings at Springfield in 2022 and at 28 years old he's got a mature arm.

I think Leahy could go 125-140 innings next season easily if he avoids injury.

We'll see if that was a Mo decision or C. Blooms if he does get a shot at starting next spring.

brock118 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:26 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 08:11 am Both Libby and Pallante have pitched more innings than any other year. Can that have something to do with the drop off?

A voice of reason!! Is anyone surprised that they are starting to wear down after being pushed more than before?

good lord, a 6-5 210 pound pitcher is worn out after 117 innings...that used to be what relief pitchers threw routinely...ridiculous...by babying all these pitchers we create a situation where they cant throw more than 5 innings or 150 innings...the more they get paid the less they pitch lol..eventually we will pay starters 100 mill to throw 90 innings

jbrach wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 14:20 pm

brock118 wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 11:26 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025 08:11 am Both Libby and Pallante have pitched more innings than any other year. Can that have something to do with the drop off?

A voice of reason!! Is anyone surprised that they are starting to wear down after being pushed more than before?

good lord, a 6-5 210 pound pitcher is worn out after 117 innings...that used to be what relief pitchers threw routinely...ridiculous...by babying all these pitchers we create a situation where they cant throw more than 5 innings or 150 innings...the more they get paid the less they pitch lol..eventually we will pay starters 100 mill to throw 90 innings

You're talking about relievers from 50-60 years ago like nothing has changed in the years since. Probably more importantly, you've done this in the past, acting like outliers were the norm.

Tug McGraw was a famous relief pitcher when I was a kid - eclipsed 100 innings only 5 times in his 19 seasons and was at/over 117 once, and in 3 of those 5 seasons he had 1, 2, and 4 starts. Sutter eclipsed the 100 inning mark 5 times and was at/over 117 once in his 12 seasons. Quisenberry over 117 innings 5 times in his 12 season career. Righetti, after moving to the bullpen full time, over 100 innings twice in his 12 seasons as a reliever. Pedro Bourbon did it, with a couple starts thrown in, for 6 consecutive seasons and then his career was over 3 years later. Cecil Upshaw did it in back to back seasons, spent the whole next season on the DL, and never did it again. Tom Burgmeier was over 100 twice in his 17 season career. Sparky Lyle was over 100 innings five times and over 117 once in his 16 season career.

So, who were all these relievers who routinely threw 117+(or even 100) innings? Rollie Fingers is the closest you'll find to doing it routinely, which makes him... an outlier. Who else ya got to back up your claim?