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Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 12 Aug 2025 10:21 am
by Jobu's Rum
Can't we call up Church in his place, think he has earned a good long look.

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 12 Aug 2025 11:27 am
by 3dender
Futuregm2 wrote: 12 Aug 2025 10:00 am
3dender wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:49 am
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:37 am If he has a fully healthy and productive year, someone will see him as a Brandon Nimmo type of player
4th year in a row people have been saying that about him. Never played more than 117 games in a season and is the poster boy for components not adding up to the sum of their parts.

On top of that he seems to have changed his approach this year to get more aggressive, which has made him even worse (increase K-rate, lower BB and OBP). So at this point he's got mental stuff to work through in addition to making sure none of his many, many ouchies are interfering with his swing.

They need to cut bait and hope some team still sees it like you just said it. Rarely has there been a more obvious change-of-scenery guy.
His approach hasn’t necessarily changed, but his biggest change has been launch angle.

LA
2021: 12.1
2022: 10.7
2023: 7.2
2024: 6.0
2025: 17.7

And his Infield pop up has also gone up dramatically from 8.7% in 2023 and 3.7% in 2024 to 11.2% in 2025.

His chase rate is up a little bit, but still low at 21%. Walk rates and K% are still at good levels.

His average EV a career best. Hard hit% a career best. Barrel% down a tiny bit from last year at 9.3%.
Nate Schwartz of PitcherList wrote a good thread on this in June... here's a key point but the whole thread is worth looking at (his Launch Angle is also significantly flatter, e.g.):
Nate Schwartz
@_nateschwartz
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Jun 23
We're currently witnessing Noot's highest chase rate and his lowest out-of-zone contact rate of his career.

His zone swing/zone miss rates have similar trends, but within career norms.
https://x.com/_nateschwartz/status/1937269901913399753

Haven't seen it updated since then and don't know how to run the stats myself, but it was a definite trend just 6-7 weeks ago.

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 12 Aug 2025 11:58 am
by An Old Friend
Bomber1 wrote: 12 Aug 2025 08:26 am
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:37 am If he has a fully healthy and productive year, someone will see him as a Brandon Nimmo type of player
I’m starting to wonder if Nootbaar will ever have a fully healthy and productive year.
People felt the same about Nimmo at similar ages.

Nimmo has played 150+ each of the last 3 seasons ages 29-31

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 12 Aug 2025 12:06 pm
by Goldfan
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 11:58 am
Bomber1 wrote: 12 Aug 2025 08:26 am
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:37 am If he has a fully healthy and productive year, someone will see him as a Brandon Nimmo type of player
I’m starting to wonder if Nootbaar will ever have a fully healthy and productive year.
People felt the same about Nimmo at similar ages.

Nimmo has played 150+ each of the last 3 seasons ages 29-31
:lol: :lol: :lol:
AOF, Noot has been on the field more than usual and he’s been bad most of the year…..except for his hot 2-3wks out of the gate.
He’s played in 95games with 1.5mths to go…..should easily surpass 117……and he still hasn’t shown much :roll:

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 12 Aug 2025 12:14 pm
by An Old Friend
Goldfan wrote: 12 Aug 2025 12:06 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 11:58 am
Bomber1 wrote: 12 Aug 2025 08:26 am
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:37 am If he has a fully healthy and productive year, someone will see him as a Brandon Nimmo type of player
I’m starting to wonder if Nootbaar will ever have a fully healthy and productive year.
People felt the same about Nimmo at similar ages.

Nimmo has played 150+ each of the last 3 seasons ages 29-31
:lol: :lol: :lol:
AOF, Noot has been on the field more than usual and he’s been bad most of the year…..except for his hot 2-3wks out of the gate.
He’s played in 95games with 1.5mths to go…..should easily surpass 117……and he still hasn’t shown much :roll:
I think it’s strange that you keep trying to bait me and take shots at me regarding Lars Nootbaar. You can stop anytime. You bring me up quite frequently in these threads.

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 12 Aug 2025 12:34 pm
by Goldfan
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 12:14 pm
Goldfan wrote: 12 Aug 2025 12:06 pm
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 11:58 am
Bomber1 wrote: 12 Aug 2025 08:26 am
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:37 am If he has a fully healthy and productive year, someone will see him as a Brandon Nimmo type of player
I’m starting to wonder if Nootbaar will ever have a fully healthy and productive year.
People felt the same about Nimmo at similar ages.

Nimmo has played 150+ each of the last 3 seasons ages 29-31
:lol: :lol: :lol:
AOF, Noot has been on the field more than usual and he’s been bad most of the year…..except for his hot 2-3wks out of the gate.
He’s played in 95games with 1.5mths to go…..should easily surpass 117……and he still hasn’t shown much :roll:
I think it’s strange that you keep trying to bait me and take shots at me regarding Lars Nootbaar. You can stop anytime. You bring me up quite frequently in these threads.
He’s your guy…..you had high hopes for Mr Noot
I told you hes a JAG
And here we are…..
You still want to go with “When he puts together a full season…..”. Got for it

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 12 Aug 2025 12:36 pm
by JDW
Well, in the recent Dodgers series, quite possible the Cards get swept w/o Noot.
Instead with Noot, won 2 out of 3.

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 12 Aug 2025 12:57 pm
by dugoutrex
he has been more productive than Mr. Walker

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 18 Aug 2025 09:18 am
by Bomber1
Didn’t get to see yesterday’s game.

What “owie” is ailing Nootbaar now?

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 18 Aug 2025 09:27 am
by Melville
3dender wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:49 am
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:37 am If he has a fully healthy and productive year, someone will see him as a Brandon Nimmo type of player
4th year in a row people have been saying that about him. Never played more than 117 games in a season and is the poster boy for components not adding up to the sum of their parts.

On top of that he seems to have changed his approach this year to get more aggressive, which has made him even worse (increase K-rate, lower BB and OBP). So at this point he's got mental stuff to work through in addition to making sure none of his many, many ouchies are interfering with his swing.

They need to cut bait and hope some team still sees it like you just said it. Rarely has there been a more obvious change-of-scenery guy.
I was first and best to see him for what he is.
A 4th outfielder LH platoon piece.
I alone have called for him to be traded for the past 4 seasons while there was still a sliver of hope that some other team is as badly fooled as Super Slo Mo and many fans have been.
Lars The Human Sushi-baar.
The idea is always better than the content.
And the content always leaves an empty feeling - and the consumer wanting something of more substance.

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 18 Aug 2025 09:29 am
by Bomber1
Bomber1 wrote: 18 Aug 2025 09:18 am Didn’t get to see yesterday’s game.

What “owie” is ailing Nootbaar now?
Sorry I just saw he was 3-4.

I read in GDT he had somehow hurt himself swinging the bat.

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 18 Aug 2025 10:30 am
by BrockFloodMaris
Melville wrote: 18 Aug 2025 09:27 am
3dender wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:49 am
An Old Friend wrote: 12 Aug 2025 07:37 am If he has a fully healthy and productive year, someone will see him as a Brandon Nimmo type of player
4th year in a row people have been saying that about him. Never played more than 117 games in a season and is the poster boy for components not adding up to the sum of their parts.

On top of that he seems to have changed his approach this year to get more aggressive, which has made him even worse (increase K-rate, lower BB and OBP). So at this point he's got mental stuff to work through in addition to making sure none of his many, many ouchies are interfering with his swing.

They need to cut bait and hope some team still sees it like you just said it. Rarely has there been a more obvious change-of-scenery guy.
I was first and best to see him for what he is.
A 4th outfielder LH platoon piece.
I alone have called for him to be traded for the past 4 seasons while there was still a sliver of hope that some other team is as badly fooled as Super Slo Mo and many fans have been.
Lars The Human Sushi-baar.
The idea is always better than the content.
And the content always leaves an empty feeling - and the consumer wanting something of more substance.
I like Noot. I really do. I am happy to have him as my fourth outfielder/LH platoon. We need to have three outfielders that are better all around players than him, though. Three!

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 18 Aug 2025 11:14 am
by rockondlouie
Noot was heating up, last 8 GP:

.303 .303 .485 .788

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 18 Aug 2025 11:32 am
by JuanAgosto
Dude can't stay healthy. Always something.

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 18 Aug 2025 11:58 am
by rockondlouie
Saw this in NYCF's response in another thread:

For the years 2016-2025:

Player/wRC+
Tommy Pham: 123
Jose Martinez: 122
Brendan Donovan: 118
Matt Carpenter: 117
Lars Nootbaar: 113

Re: Nootbaar

Posted: 18 Aug 2025 15:01 pm
by 3dender
Saw this tweet earlier which makes you realize LF production is not as robust as it used to be across the league. Noot's actually better than half of the LFers playing considering total value provided this year... 6th best in the NL.

https://x.com/baxoren/status/1957474936965960107

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