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Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

Saggese and roby are hopes. And with each injury roby s chances are dwindling. I was high on saggese butnthis year has been disappointing for me. I will give one more year before i pass judgment on him though.

King has mostly been a solid reliever til he blew up this year with injuries as relievers are fickle. He cpuld easily rebound next year but he is 30 and probably wont be part of the long term future. Although at the time of the trade we werent committed to a rebuild yet so king made more sense as a return at the time. He has 2 more ywars of control. Maybe if he rebound next year he can be flipped for a useful prospect.

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:00 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

Saggese and roby are hopes. And with each injury roby s chances are dwindling. I was high on saggese butnthis year has been disappointing for me. I will give one more year before i pass judgment on him though.

King has mostly been a solid reliever til he blew up this year with injuries as relievers are fickle. He cpuld easily rebound next year but he is 30 and probably wont be part of the long term future. Although at the time of the trade we werent committed to a rebuild yet so king made more sense as a return at the time. He has 2 more ywars of control. Maybe if he rebound next year he can be flipped for a useful prospect.

Saggase was the all minor league second baseman before being traded to the Cards. Roby is a possible high end starter. King was excellent the past two years. You failed to mention that Montgomery had a 6.23 ERA in 2024 and is out for all of 2025 with Tommy John surgery.

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:00 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

Saggese and roby are hopes. And with each injury roby s chances are dwindling. I was high on saggese butnthis year has been disappointing for me. I will give one more year before i pass judgment on him though.

King has mostly been a solid reliever til he blew up this year with injuries as relievers are fickle. He cpuld easily rebound next year but he is 30 and probably wont be part of the long term future. Although at the time of the trade we werent committed to a rebuild yet so king made more sense as a return at the time. He has 2 more ywars of control. Maybe if he rebound next year he can be flipped for a useful prospect.

Saggase was the all minor league second baseman before being traded to the Cards. Roby is a possible high end starter. King was excellent the past two years. You failed to mention that Montgomery had a 6.23 ERA in 2024 and is out for all of 2025 with Tommy John surgery.

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:02 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:00 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

Saggese and roby are hopes. And with each injury roby s chances are dwindling. I was high on saggese butnthis year has been disappointing for me. I will give one more year before i pass judgment on him though.

King has mostly been a solid reliever til he blew up this year with injuries as relievers are fickle. He cpuld easily rebound next year but he is 30 and probably wont be part of the long term future. Although at the time of the trade we werent committed to a rebuild yet so king made more sense as a return at the time. He has 2 more ywars of control. Maybe if he rebound next year he can be flipped for a useful prospect.

Saggase was the all minor league second baseman before being traded to the Cards. Roby is a possible high end starter. King was excellent the past two years. You failed to mention that Montgomery had a 6.23 ERA in 2024 and is out for all of 2025 with Tommy John surgery.

Relax, i wasnt griping about the trade overall, just expressing surprise that fejong who we thought was nothing could end up giving us one of the best longterm pieces.

Not interested in propaganda war.

OldRed wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:02 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:00 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:39 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

Saggese and roby are hopes. And with each injury roby s chances are dwindling. I was high on saggese butnthis year has been disappointing for me. I will give one more year before i pass judgment on him though.

King has mostly been a solid reliever til he blew up this year with injuries as relievers are fickle. He cpuld easily rebound next year but he is 30 and probably wont be part of the long term future. Although at the time of the trade we werent committed to a rebuild yet so king made more sense as a return at the time. He has 2 more ywars of control. Maybe if he rebound next year he can be flipped for a useful prospect.

Saggase was the all minor league second baseman before being traded to the Cards. Roby is a possible high end starter. King was excellent the past two years. You failed to mention that Montgomery had a 6.23 ERA in 2024 and is out for all of 2025 with Tommy John surgery.

And you forgot to mention how much he helped the Rangers in the playoffs. He was traded for the playoff run and was outstanding.

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:50 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Let’s see how it plays out. And your description of Saggese is way off base.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:52 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:50 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Let’s see how it plays out. And your description of Saggese is way off base.

Issue. One says Saggese is another player. One says he’s much more. Explain such an expansive gap of opinion.

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:01 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

You’re right. PDJ.

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:55 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:52 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:50 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Let’s see how it plays out. And your description of Saggese is way off base.

Issue. One says Saggese is another player. One says he’s much more. Explain such an expansive gap of opinion.

In 2024, Saggese was rated by MLB.com as the Cardinals #5 prospect. McGreevy was #15. Mathews was #22.

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:50 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Let’s see how it plays out. And your description of Saggese is way off base.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 10:54 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Rock,

As I've stated, I believe he just needs consistent playing time. I think he will be either ab everyday starter for us or a highly used utility man. He is cut from the same cloth as Donovan.

Agree on Roby - has REALLY good stuff, but HAS to be able to pitch.

King - I think he was just a throw in, in order to get our pen through the rest of the 2023 season. Turned out to do okay. Had a decent 2024, then has stunk this year.

As with most trades, it will need time to see how our guys turn out. Patience is the key.

And I'm willing to bet you WILL be pleasantly surprised with Saggese!!

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 11:25 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 10:54 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 09:48 am

Cranny wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:29 am

Wattage wrote: ↑09 Aug 2025 08:13 am

jbrach wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 23:28 pm I could be wrong but I think they got svanson for a certain shortstop

Who would have guessed that out of trading montgomery flaherty and dejong that dejong would have fetched the player performing best at mlb now.

Montgomery brought a haul - Saggese, King, and Roby. King had a 1.45 ERA in his 1st year with the Cards. 2.45 ERA in his 2nd year. Having a tough year in 2025.

"Haul"

Saggese = JAG, doubt he's here in 2026
Roby = Injured all the time
King = good 2024, 5.18 ERA 2025

Hardly a "haul"

Rock,

As I've stated, I believe he just needs consistent playing time. I think he will be either ab everyday starter for us or a highly used utility man. He is cut from the same cloth as Donovan.

Agree on Roby - has REALLY good stuff, but HAS to be able to pitch.

King - I think he was just a throw in, in order to get our pen through the rest of the 2023 season. Turned out to do okay. Had a decent 2024, then has stunk this year.

As with most trades, it will need time to see how our guys turn out. Patience is the key.

And I'm willing to bet you WILL be pleasantly surprised with Saggese!!

I hope you're right, certainly not rooting for him to fail.

But all I see is a back of the bench, utility player at best who will NEVER be a starter here (or elsewhere in MLB).

Career: .228 .272 .329 .601/-1 DRS

(And I just don't see the Donny comp, he's a career: .280 .360 .406 .766 hitter).

To me Saggesse's JAG.

It wouldn't surprise me to see him tossed into any deals C. Blooms makes this winter or next season.