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Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:04 pm I like Brendan Donovan and his grit but I think he is just a decent 2nd basemen but not a great one. I have seen 2 throws to home in the last couple of months trying to catch a runner scoring from 3rd but failing when he should have went for the sure outs. I have watched him flub routine ground balls this year.
I still think he is a decent 2b but far from a really good defensive 2 basemen like many people think.

This required its own thread? His defense is what pops out at you? He's so mediocre but he's the player so many teams want.

Bad14 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:48 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:04 pm I like Brendan Donovan and his grit but I think he is just a decent 2nd basemen but not a great one. I have seen 2 throws to home in the last couple of months trying to catch a runner scoring from 3rd but failing when he should have went for the sure outs. I have watched him flub routine ground balls this year.
I still think he is a decent 2b but far from a really good defensive 2 basemen like many people think.

This required its own thread? His defense is what pops out at you? He's so mediocre but he's the player so many teams want.

I don't think you were force to read it or respond to it.

IMHO, Donovan is better at 3B than 2B.

Quick first step but no speed. Had throwing arm problems last year, I think.

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:04 pm I like Brendan Donovan and his grit but I think he is just a decent 2nd basemen but not a great one. I have seen 2 throws to home in the last couple of months trying to catch a runner scoring from 3rd but failing when he should have went for the sure outs. I have watched him flub routine ground balls this year.
I still think he is a decent 2b but far from a really good defensive 2 basemen like many people think.

He is seriously an ok player. But the Cards and fans way overrated him. He is definitely not an all- star, and like the last 15 attempts, he is not a lead off hitter. One job, get on base, nope.

So if your not gold glove you are not a good defender? There are some unreasonable mental giants on here. Look at the whole package. He plays a steady 2nd and can play multiple other positions well. Good hitter.

There are so many other problems on this team. Why in the heck are you worried about Donovan?

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 20:12 pm

Bad14 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 18:48 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:04 pm I like Brendan Donovan and his grit but I think he is just a decent 2nd basemen but not a great one. I have seen 2 throws to home in the last couple of months trying to catch a runner scoring from 3rd but failing when he should have went for the sure outs. I have watched him flub routine ground balls this year.
I still think he is a decent 2b but far from a really good defensive 2 basemen like many people think.

This required its own thread? His defense is what pops out at you? He's so mediocre but he's the player so many teams want.

I don't think you were force to read it or respond to it.

You mean "forced"? Should have finished school.

Jatalk wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 20:53 pm So if your not gold glove you are not a good defender? There are some unreasonable mental giants on here. Look at the whole package. He plays a steady 2nd and can play multiple other positions well. Good hitter.

There are so many other problems on this team. Why in the heck are you worried about Donovan?

Not worried, just think many teams would want a piece like him to help solidify a potential possible championship team, vs a weak (donkey) Cards team. Trade high. He's not one you build around

hmoss859 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:28 pm

LewisL wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:17 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:06 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:04 pm I like Brendan Donovan and his grit but I think he is just a decent 2nd basemen but not a great one. I have seen 2 throws to home in the last couple of months trying to catch a runner scoring from 3rd but failing when he should have went for the sure outs. I have watched him flub routine ground balls this year.
I still think he is a decent 2b but far from a really good defensive 2 basemen like many people think.

I don't recall anyone trying to make him out to be a GG caliber 2B.

Listening nightly to Carey and Thompson I think I must be watching a gold glover

Welp.....he actually did win the utility GG in 2022, with 2B position being his most games played at.

Just because he can play multiple positions does not earn One a utility GG, the 2022 award was a gift

He has limited range and a rag arm

The arm is adequate for 2b and LF.
It does not play well anywhere else.

Melville wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 08:40 am

hmoss859 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:28 pm

LewisL wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:17 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:06 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:04 pm I like Brendan Donovan and his grit but I think he is just a decent 2nd basemen but not a great one. I have seen 2 throws to home in the last couple of months trying to catch a runner scoring from 3rd but failing when he should have went for the sure outs. I have watched him flub routine ground balls this year.
I still think he is a decent 2b but far from a really good defensive 2 basemen like many people think.

I don't recall anyone trying to make him out to be a GG caliber 2B.

Listening nightly to Carey and Thompson I think I must be watching a gold glover

Welp.....he actually did win the utility GG in 2022, with 2B position being his most games played at.

Just because he can play multiple positions does not earn One a utility GG, the 2022 award was a gift

He has limited range and a rag arm

The arm is adequate for 2b and LF.
It does not play well anywhere else.

Adequate...the high bar to be on the Cards and considered indespensible

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 08:45 am

Melville wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 08:40 am

hmoss859 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:28 pm

LewisL wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:17 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:06 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:04 pm I like Brendan Donovan and his grit but I think he is just a decent 2nd basemen but not a great one. I have seen 2 throws to home in the last couple of months trying to catch a runner scoring from 3rd but failing when he should have went for the sure outs. I have watched him flub routine ground balls this year.
I still think he is a decent 2b but far from a really good defensive 2 basemen like many people think.

I don't recall anyone trying to make him out to be a GG caliber 2B.

Listening nightly to Carey and Thompson I think I must be watching a gold glover

Welp.....he actually did win the utility GG in 2022, with 2B position being his most games played at.

Just because he can play multiple positions does not earn One a utility GG, the 2022 award was a gift

He has limited range and a rag arm

The arm is adequate for 2b and LF.
It does not play well anywhere else.

Adequate...the high bar to be on the Cards and considered indespensible

Based on where the organization is at right now, you are not wrong.....

Melville wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 08:52 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 08:45 am

Melville wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 08:40 am

hmoss859 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:28 pm

LewisL wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:17 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:08 pm

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:06 pm

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:04 pm I like Brendan Donovan and his grit but I think he is just a decent 2nd basemen but not a great one. I have seen 2 throws to home in the last couple of months trying to catch a runner scoring from 3rd but failing when he should have went for the sure outs. I have watched him flub routine ground balls this year.
I still think he is a decent 2b but far from a really good defensive 2 basemen like many people think.

I don't recall anyone trying to make him out to be a GG caliber 2B.

Listening nightly to Carey and Thompson I think I must be watching a gold glover

Welp.....he actually did win the utility GG in 2022, with 2B position being his most games played at.

Just because he can play multiple positions does not earn One a utility GG, the 2022 award was a gift

He has limited range and a rag arm

The arm is adequate for 2b and LF.
It does not play well anywhere else.

Adequate...the high bar to be on the Cards and considered indespensible

Based on where the organization is at right now, you are not wrong.....

The Band of Excellence. All teams have an internal standard, then there’s the league Band.

Although not n the same level, they contain many similar names.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 08:34 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 20:53 pm So if your not gold glove you are not a good defender? There are some unreasonable mental giants on here. Look at the whole package. He plays a steady 2nd and can play multiple other positions well. Good hitter.

There are so many other problems on this team. Why in the heck are you worried about Donovan?

Not worried, just think many teams would want a piece like him to help solidify a potential possible championship team, vs a weak (donkey) Cards team. Trade high. He's not one you build around

What kind of "trade high" do you think these many teams would offer for such a limited, overrated, scrappy guy with little power and middling speed?

12xu wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 09:06 am

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑08 Aug 2025 08:34 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 20:53 pm So if your not gold glove you are not a good defender? There are some unreasonable mental giants on here. Look at the whole package. He plays a steady 2nd and can play multiple other positions well. Good hitter.

There are so many other problems on this team. Why in the heck are you worried about Donovan?

Not worried, just think many teams would want a piece like him to help solidify a potential possible championship team, vs a weak (donkey) Cards team. Trade high. He's not one you build around

What kind of "trade high" do you think these many teams would offer for such a limited, overrated, scrappy guy with little power and middling speed?

I wish they had another 7 to put in the field like Donovan.

Brendan Donovan is exactly the kind of player you want on a playoff-caliber team. He brings grit, grind, and the kind of work ethic and unselfishness that helps build a winning culture—when he’s in the right role and structure.

He’s an average to slightly above-average defender at four positions, and he could probably handle a fifth if needed at first base.

Bottom line: I’m glad we have him. But I’d still trade him for the right return—because we’re not yet at the level where his value fully translates. Right now, he’s being treated like a cornerstone. And when you build on a cornerstone like Donovan, you’re not building a mansion—you’re propping up a mobile home.

Decker57 wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 15:04 pm I like Brendan Donovan and his grit but I think he is just a decent 2nd basemen but not a great one. I have seen 2 throws to home in the last couple of months trying to catch a runner scoring from 3rd but failing when he should have went for the sure outs. I have watched him flub routine ground balls this year.
I still think he is a decent 2b but far from a really good defensive 2 basemen like many people think.

ESPN has him rated 10th as second bademen. Is that over rated? Where would you put him?

I'm more worried that Donovan has been awful since May 30 (.225 / .309 / .328 / .637)

He's been one of the worst starting players in baseball for over half the season.