STLtoday.com

High Em is not our savior - sorry guys!

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

I think Oli begins the year. Then we see for how long. Chaim should interview potential managers on the side this winter.

Church needs to become a 4th outfielder and get plenty of CF time. He should be considered replacement for Scott. He's far better offensively.

Arenado should only play about half the time this year. He needs to beg to leave somewhere by the middle of the year.

One solid free agent #2/3 starter.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

I think Oli begins the year. Then we see for how long. Chaim should interview potential managers on the side this winter.

Church needs to become a 4th outfielder and get plenty of CF time. He should be considered replacement for Scott. He's far better offensively.

Arenado should only play about half the time this year. He needs to beg to leave somewhere by the middle of the year.

One solid free agent #2/3 starter.

While possible (PLEASE NO!) it would send a horrible message to the players & fans that BDWJr wants more of the same.

Keeping Oli around, with the stink of a second horrible season on his resume and the stanky smell of Mo all over him, would be a HUGE marketing mistake.

Oli MUST GO if this is truly the beginning of a new era of Cardinals baseball.

Plus Bloom shouldn't be forced to inherit one of the most inept managers in MLB.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:44 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

I think Oli begins the year. Then we see for how long. Chaim should interview potential managers on the side this winter.

Church needs to become a 4th outfielder and get plenty of CF time. He should be considered replacement for Scott. He's far better offensively.

Arenado should only play about half the time this year. He needs to beg to leave somewhere by the middle of the year.

One solid free agent #2/3 starter.

While possible (PLEASE NO!) it would send a horrible message to the players & fans that BDWJr wants more of the same.

Keeping Oli around, with the stink of a second horrible season on his resume and the stanky smell of Mo all over him, would be a HUGE marketing mistake.

Oli MUST GO if this is truly the beginning of a new era of Cardinals baseball.

Plus Bloom shouldn't be forced to inherit one of the most inept managers in MLB.

Stop pussyfooting around. Stand up for what you believe.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:54 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:44 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

I think Oli begins the year. Then we see for how long. Chaim should interview potential managers on the side this winter.

Church needs to become a 4th outfielder and get plenty of CF time. He should be considered replacement for Scott. He's far better offensively.

Arenado should only play about half the time this year. He needs to beg to leave somewhere by the middle of the year.

One solid free agent #2/3 starter.

While possible (PLEASE NO!) it would send a horrible message to the players & fans that BDWJr wants more of the same.

Keeping Oli around, with the stink of a second horrible season on his resume and the stanky smell of Mo all over him, would be a HUGE marketing mistake.

Oli MUST GO if this is truly the beginning of a new era of Cardinals baseball.

Plus Bloom shouldn't be forced to inherit one of the most inept managers in MLB.

Stop pussyfooting around. Stand up for what you believe.

Day in, day out, and all day in between.

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:54 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:44 pm

hugeCardfan wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 12:32 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

I think Oli begins the year. Then we see for how long. Chaim should interview potential managers on the side this winter.

Church needs to become a 4th outfielder and get plenty of CF time. He should be considered replacement for Scott. He's far better offensively.

Arenado should only play about half the time this year. He needs to beg to leave somewhere by the middle of the year.

One solid free agent #2/3 starter.

While possible (PLEASE NO!) it would send a horrible message to the players & fans that BDWJr wants more of the same.

Keeping Oli around, with the stink of a second horrible season on his resume and the stanky smell of Mo all over him, would be a HUGE marketing mistake.

Oli MUST GO if this is truly the beginning of a new era of Cardinals baseball.

Plus Bloom shouldn't be forced to inherit one of the most inept managers in MLB.

Stop pussyfooting around. Stand up for what you believe.

Depends on how the winds are blowing about a work stoppage in 2027. Insert language into any new contracts about what happens under a strike, and under a lockout.

Even tho when the clock tolls, Mo will become a pumpkin, bloom doesn’t have a magic wand to fix 2026.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

Yes, you are on the right track!

Fire Oli/Blake
Get rid of Arenado (by any means)
Trade 3 of the following: Gorman, Walker, Nootbaar, Burleson for a plus rotation piece.
Sign E. Suarez for 3B (shorter term deal)
Sign Valdez or Cease as your big $ ace.

Lineup looks like this:

Donovan LF
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera DH
Suarez 3B
Contereas 1B
Walker/Noot/Burleson RF
Crooks C
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench:
Saggese UT
Pages/Pozo C
Church OF
Torres IF/OF

Rotation:

Valdez/Cease
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition through trade

Thoughts?

I do believe it will go something like this

STAFF - Most if not all gone. He will find THE guy that he thinks can move the team forward and give them latitude to find their own staff. Current coaches may interview for positions but I reckon most unless a Cardinal legend will move on or become a minors developer.

MARCHING ORDERS FROM DEWITT - Put fans back in the seats without committing to big contracts until after the lockout. The best way to do that is change out personnel enough to give a new a new look and bring some excitement.

PLAYERS -
a) I think he has probably already identified about 30 to 50% of the current team he wants to move forward with. The other 50 to 70% are negotiable and can be had for the right price.
b) He has probably identified another 3 to 5 players on other teams he wants, that might be available without long term high dollar contracts. He will start figuring out what the price looks like hoping to get at least 2 of those players.
c) I expect to see a major turnover in the minors players where it can happen.
d) Expect that by time spring training rolls around we will see at least a minimum of 2 new INF/OF starters plugged in and another 2 to 3 positions up for grabs by minors players and newly acquired.

The team will have a new look without breaking the bank with the theme being chemistry and potential rather than more of the same. I think Dewitt knows enough that even going into a possible lockout year the team cannot simply roll out the same stale product with the new guy and promote it as a new day to be exited about. The fans will stay home and he knows it.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

Yes, you are on the right track!

Fire Oli/Blake
Get rid of Arenado (by any means)
Trade 3 of the following: Gorman, Walker, Nootbaar, Burleson for a plus rotation piece.
Sign E. Suarez for 3B (shorter term deal)
Sign Valdez or Cease as your big $ ace.

Lineup looks like this:

Donovan LF
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera DH
Suarez 3B
Contereas 1B
Walker/Noot/Burleson RF
Crooks C
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench:
Saggese UT
Pages/Pozo C
Church OF
Torres IF/OF

Rotation:

Valdez/Cease
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition through trade

Thoughts?

I think BDWJr would faint if Bloom asked if he would let him sign and pay:
E. Suarez
Valdez or Cease


I think the starting pitcher could come via trade, especially if Bloom offers M. Winn & one of the young catchers as bait.

While I'd love to move on from NADO, that's going to require BDWJr to swallow no less that $20M (oh no, another Dewitt fall)!

I'm also starting to watch Q. Mathews again, he's been on a roll (Last 6 GS: 2.98 ERA) and could be a 2026 options.

Doyle will also be on the fast track, Bloom is not "Slo-Mo". He's up here as soon as Bloom thinks he's ready.

That power bat is the problem, not sure where he finds one that Dewitt would pay.

Also need a better closer option than JoJo.

Bloom has a lot of work ahead of him reworking this roster that Mo has made a mess out of.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

Yes, you are on the right track!

Fire Oli/Blake
Get rid of Arenado (by any means)
Trade 3 of the following: Gorman, Walker, Nootbaar, Burleson for a plus rotation piece.
Sign E. Suarez for 3B (shorter term deal)
Sign Valdez or Cease as your big $ ace.

Lineup looks like this:

Donovan LF
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera DH
Suarez 3B
Contereas 1B
Walker/Noot/Burleson RF
Crooks C
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench:
Saggese UT
Pages/Pozo C
Church OF
Torres IF/OF

Rotation:

Valdez/Cease
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition through trade

Thoughts?

I think BDWJr would faint if Bloom asked if he would let him sign and pay:
E. Suarez
Valdez or Cease


I think the starting pitcher could come via trade, especially if Bloom offers M. Winn & one of the young catchers as bait.

While I'd love to move on from NADO, that's going to require BDWJr to swallow no less that $20M (oh no, another Dewitt fall)!

I'm also starting to watch Q. Mathews again, he's been on a roll (Last 6 GS: 2.98 ERA) and could be a 2026 options.

Doyle will also be on the fast track, Bloom is not "Slo-Mo". He's up here as soon as Bloom thinks he's ready.

That power bat is the problem, not sure where he finds one that Dewitt would pay.

Also need a better closer option than JoJo.

Bloom has a lot of work ahead of him reworking this roster that Mo has made a mess out of.

Oh he would definitely faint!! Lol
But don't you agree that could easily be done if they WANTED to? I think that team would be a serious contender.

But yes, you are right. Now that we don't have Helsley, we have yet ANOTHER hole to fill.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

Yes, you are on the right track!

Fire Oli/Blake
Get rid of Arenado (by any means)
Trade 3 of the following: Gorman, Walker, Nootbaar, Burleson for a plus rotation piece.
Sign E. Suarez for 3B (shorter term deal)
Sign Valdez or Cease as your big $ ace.

Lineup looks like this:

Donovan LF
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera DH
Suarez 3B
Contereas 1B
Walker/Noot/Burleson RF
Crooks C
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench:
Saggese UT
Pages/Pozo C
Church OF
Torres IF/OF

Rotation:

Valdez/Cease
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition through trade

Thoughts?

I think BDWJr would faint if Bloom asked if he would let him sign and pay:
E. Suarez
Valdez or Cease


I think the starting pitcher could come via trade, especially if Bloom offers M. Winn & one of the young catchers as bait.

While I'd love to move on from NADO, that's going to require BDWJr to swallow no less that $20M (oh no, another Dewitt fall)!

I'm also starting to watch Q. Mathews again, he's been on a roll (Last 6 GS: 2.98 ERA) and could be a 2026 options.

Doyle will also be on the fast track, Bloom is not "Slo-Mo". He's up here as soon as Bloom thinks he's ready.

That power bat is the problem, not sure where he finds one that Dewitt would pay.

Also need a better closer option than JoJo.

Bloom has a lot of work ahead of him reworking this roster that Mo has made a mess out of.

Oh he would definitely faint!! Lol
But don't you agree that could easily be done if they WANTED to? I think that team would be a serious contender.

But yes, you are right. Now that we don't have Helsley, we have yet ANOTHER hole to fill.

Absolutely, if Dewitt wanted he could sign almost any player (not named Ohtani/Soto) but he won't.

I've wanted them to convert T. Hence to the closer role in the minors now for two years, to me he's got closer potential.

(We know he can't stay healthy as a starter)

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:37 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

Yes, you are on the right track!

Fire Oli/Blake
Get rid of Arenado (by any means)
Trade 3 of the following: Gorman, Walker, Nootbaar, Burleson for a plus rotation piece.
Sign E. Suarez for 3B (shorter term deal)
Sign Valdez or Cease as your big $ ace.

Lineup looks like this:

Donovan LF
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera DH
Suarez 3B
Contereas 1B
Walker/Noot/Burleson RF
Crooks C
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench:
Saggese UT
Pages/Pozo C
Church OF
Torres IF/OF

Rotation:

Valdez/Cease
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition through trade

Thoughts?

I think BDWJr would faint if Bloom asked if he would let him sign and pay:
E. Suarez
Valdez or Cease


I think the starting pitcher could come via trade, especially if Bloom offers M. Winn & one of the young catchers as bait.

While I'd love to move on from NADO, that's going to require BDWJr to swallow no less that $20M (oh no, another Dewitt fall)!

I'm also starting to watch Q. Mathews again, he's been on a roll (Last 6 GS: 2.98 ERA) and could be a 2026 options.

Doyle will also be on the fast track, Bloom is not "Slo-Mo". He's up here as soon as Bloom thinks he's ready.

That power bat is the problem, not sure where he finds one that Dewitt would pay.

Also need a better closer option than JoJo.

Bloom has a lot of work ahead of him reworking this roster that Mo has made a mess out of.

Oh he would definitely faint!! Lol
But don't you agree that could easily be done if they WANTED to? I think that team would be a serious contender.

But yes, you are right. Now that we don't have Helsley, we have yet ANOTHER hole to fill.

Absolutely, if Dewitt wanted he could sign almost any player (not named Ohtani/Soto) but he won't.

I've wanted them to convert T. Hence to the closer role in the minors now for two years, to me he's got closer potential.

(We know he can't stay healthy as a starter)

Yeah that might be a good thought. He is going to have to pitch at some point, though!!!

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:49 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:37 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:25 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑05 Aug 2025 11:50 am -Fire Oli

-Weed out the deadweight on the major league and 40 man roster via DFA's

-Thin the herd at overcrowded positions via trades (as I said in my thread we could see a 1980's - Whitey like winter meeting trading frenzy if Bloom wants a total roster makeover).

-Sign a free agent or two (nothing earthshattering but perhaps a solid piece or two)

Yes, you are on the right track!

Fire Oli/Blake
Get rid of Arenado (by any means)
Trade 3 of the following: Gorman, Walker, Nootbaar, Burleson for a plus rotation piece.
Sign E. Suarez for 3B (shorter term deal)
Sign Valdez or Cease as your big $ ace.

Lineup looks like this:

Donovan LF
Wetherholt 2B
Herrera DH
Suarez 3B
Contereas 1B
Walker/Noot/Burleson RF
Crooks C
Winn SS
Scott II CF

Bench:
Saggese UT
Pages/Pozo C
Church OF
Torres IF/OF

Rotation:

Valdez/Cease
Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Addition through trade

Thoughts?

I think BDWJr would faint if Bloom asked if he would let him sign and pay:
E. Suarez
Valdez or Cease


I think the starting pitcher could come via trade, especially if Bloom offers M. Winn & one of the young catchers as bait.

While I'd love to move on from NADO, that's going to require BDWJr to swallow no less that $20M (oh no, another Dewitt fall)!

I'm also starting to watch Q. Mathews again, he's been on a roll (Last 6 GS: 2.98 ERA) and could be a 2026 options.

Doyle will also be on the fast track, Bloom is not "Slo-Mo". He's up here as soon as Bloom thinks he's ready.

That power bat is the problem, not sure where he finds one that Dewitt would pay.

Also need a better closer option than JoJo.

Bloom has a lot of work ahead of him reworking this roster that Mo has made a mess out of.

Oh he would definitely faint!! Lol
But don't you agree that could easily be done if they WANTED to? I think that team would be a serious contender.

But yes, you are right. Now that we don't have Helsley, we have yet ANOTHER hole to fill.

Absolutely, if Dewitt wanted he could sign almost any player (not named Ohtani/Soto) but he won't.

I've wanted them to convert T. Hence to the closer role in the minors now for two years, to me he's got closer potential.

(We know he can't stay healthy as a starter)

Yeah that might be a good thought. He is going to have to pitch at some point, though!!!

No doubt

How much evidence do they need to learn he's NOT capable of handling a starters innings?

cards53 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 17:32 pm What will Chaim Bloom do after our 2025 season is over?

I’m talking about personnel changes and trades.......

A lot will be determined what DeWitt allows him to do.
He needs to be allowed to have free reign - including a reasonable bump in payroll, the ability to eat N/A's contract, and the freedom to move on from many of Mo's failed love affairs.
In other words, he needs to be allowed to succeed.
Otherwise, he will become "Chaim Doing the Best That I Can Bloom" - which would be nothing more that repeating sustainable mediocrity.