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You might want to go back and look at some more, because there were a lot of people saying that they were calling him up too early for no reason.imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 12:50 pmI went back and looked at number of CT threads around Walker and when he was called up. You may wish to do the same Rock.
There's no need to trade Just Worthless...yet. He will spend his next year in the minors to use his last option year. It's his do or die year. He was also a stupid high school pick. Never played college ball unlike JJ...no comparisonimetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 11:27 am I am as upbeat on JJ as anyone here. Great potential.
Just like Walker.
The quotes from pro talking heads and folks here were pretty clear: he was to be the second coming. There was no reason for him to stay in AAA. He was the power bat we needed. He was past ready. The next AP.
He may yet pan out and live up to the hype. But that is not now, and it hadn’t been the case. I witnessed him haplessly flailing in SD.
So, two things. We burnish our Faberge eggs and admire them on the mantle, as they tarnish. Others here have pointed out the unwillingness if the FO to trade players at the right time-or at all. Hopefully Bloom changes that.
And no, I am not suggesting trading JJ (although Walker may at long last may be on the block), but my sense is people expect JJ to succeed at this level immediately.
And he may. But the book will go out on him and there will be regression. He may well be the cornerstone we all hope.
But it will not be automatic and ala’ Walker, there are no guarantees.
Taveras was nothing like Gorman or Walker.Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:11 pm What did Taveras, Walker and Gorman all have in common?
Extremely Long swings, that don't work at the MLB level.
With the average MLB heater over 95, you have to be short to the ball and track the ball.
JJW is exactly the type of hitter that works in MLB nowadays.
Really interesting. Thx.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:47 pm In terms of hitting I would put JJ more on the Oscar Taveras path than the Jordan Walker.
Prior to getting called up
wRC+
Taveras
A: 190
AA: 155
AAA: 113
AAA: 125
Wetherholt
A: 140
AA: 152
AAA: 193
Walker
A: 208
A+: 125
AA: 124
Now obviously Wetherholt has separated himself from Taveras with his initial AAA performance. I would also point out that both Taveras and Walker went down as the level got harder while Wetherholt has done the exact opposite.
No, actually, I still think you're pretty much an idiot.Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:26 pm Paige, bottom line
The day they promoted JJ to AAA I wrote “that they should think about moving him to the big club…..he’s a hitter”
You and another Debbie downer made some references to my intelligence
History can be a wonderful enlightenment for those that don’t have much vision…..
Yes, his ankle was the reason he was benched in STL to attempt to shorten his enormously LONG swing which was getting exposed in MLB…..An Old Friend wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:55 pmYeah, although Taveras was playing hurt. He was hitting .362 with a .988 OPS in May before he injured the ankle. He came back in June and tried to play on it, hitting .280 with a .735 OPS. He was bouncing back in 2014 but hadn't fully recovered from the ankle surgery.Futuregm2 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:47 pm In terms of hitting I would put JJ more on the Oscar Taveras path than the Jordan Walker.
Prior to getting called up
wRC+
Taveras
A: 190
AA: 155
AAA: 113
AAA: 125
Wetherholt
A: 140
AA: 152
AAA: 193
Walker
A: 208
A+: 125
AA: 124
Now obviously Wetherholt has separated himself from Taveras with his initial AAA performance.
Yes, I already covered the lack of vision part…..imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:36 pmNo, actually, I still think you're pretty much an idiot.Goldfan wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:26 pm Paige, bottom line
The day they promoted JJ to AAA I wrote “that they should think about moving him to the big club…..he’s a hitter”
You and another Debbie downer made some references to my intelligence
History can be a wonderful enlightenment for those that don’t have much vision…..
In Taveras brief stay in majors, he repeatedly was beat by high heat.An Old Friend wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:32 pmTaveras was nothing like Gorman or Walker.Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:11 pm What did Taveras, Walker and Gorman all have in common?
Extremely Long swings, that don't work at the MLB level.
With the average MLB heater over 95, you have to be short to the ball and track the ball.
JJW is exactly the type of hitter that works in MLB nowadays.
He had elite bat to ball skill. Neither of them do. Why on earth would you group them?
I have about 20 downloaded threads from the past ten years.An Old Friend wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:45 pmHow did you do this? I thought old threads were scrubbed, archive doesn't go back that far.imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 12:50 pm I went back and looked at number of CT threads around Walker and when he was called up. You may wish to do the same Rock.
That's just weirdimetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:39 pmI have about 20 downloaded threads from the past ten years.An Old Friend wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:45 pmHow did you do this? I thought old threads were scrubbed, archive doesn't go back that far.imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 12:50 pm I went back and looked at number of CT threads around Walker and when he was called up. You may wish to do the same Rock.
The Walker thread is among them.
You've been telling this story for years, and at no point of time has it ever been true.
Post it on here. I'd like to see it.imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:39 pmI have about 20 downloaded threads from the past ten years.An Old Friend wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 13:45 pmHow did you do this? I thought old threads were scrubbed, archive doesn't go back that far.imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 12:50 pm I went back and looked at number of CT threads around Walker and when he was called up. You may wish to do the same Rock.
The Walker thread is among them.
He wasn’t benched?An Old Friend wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:42 pmYou've been telling this story for years, and at no point of time has it ever been true.
It'd be great if you just stopped saying it at some point.
No one looks good running coming back from ankle surgery. He needed a healthy offseason to get there... unfortunately, that wasn't in the cards.Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:38 pmIn Taveras brief stay in majors, he repeatedly was beat by high heat.An Old Friend wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:32 pmTaveras was nothing like Gorman or Walker.Baseball Savant wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 14:11 pm What did Taveras, Walker and Gorman all have in common?
Extremely Long swings, that don't work at the MLB level.
With the average MLB heater over 95, you have to be short to the ball and track the ball.
JJW is exactly the type of hitter that works in MLB nowadays.
He had elite bat to ball skill. Neither of them do. Why on earth would you group them?
Red flags galore with Taveras, he was a horrible fielder and baserunner.
I don't think he would have panned out either.