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Posted: **03 Aug 2025 20:10 pm**

I can’t believe they are raising prices on tickets.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 20:40 pm**

45s wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:24 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:20 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.
I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.
I wonder if they are indeed planning for a sell.
Could be a ploy to get the state to improve the current, or build a new stadium..

Let the possibility of a sale get out there..and see the response…

Surely not a new stadium. This one isn't even 20. And BPV is fairly new. I think it was built to increase value for a sale.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 21:06 pm**

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 20:40 pm
45s wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:24 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:20 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.
I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.
I wonder if they are indeed planning for a sell.
Could be a ploy to get the state to improve the current, or build a new stadium..

Let the possibility of a sale get out there..and see the response…
Surely not a new stadium. This one isn't even 20. And BPV is fairly new. I think it was built to increase value for a sale.

Except BPV is not part of the Cardinals. Owned by a different company and not considered baseball revenue. That’s the issue. Dewitt only uses gate and TV as Cardinals income. I do beleive he wants to sell. But only the team which is not where the profit is.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 21:21 pm**

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:43 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:39 pm
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:33 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:23 pm WORLD SERIES CHAMPION OPENING DAY PAYROLLS

Year Team Opening Day Payrol
2024 Dodgers 1st
2023 Rangers 9th
2022 Astros 10th
2021 Braves 14th
2020 Dodgers 2nd
2019 Nationals 4th
2018 Red Sox 1st
2017 Astros 17th
2016 Cubs 6th
2015 Royals 17th
2014 Giants 7th
2013 Red Sox 4th
2012 Giants 6th
2011 Cardinals 10th
2010 Giants 11th
2009 Yankees 1st
2008 Phillies 13th
2007 Red Sox 2nd
2006 Cardinals 11th
2005 White Sox 13th
2004 Red Sox 2nd
2003 Marlins 25th
2002 Angels 15th
2001 D-backs 8th
2000 Yankees 1st
1999 Yankees 1st
1998 Yankees 2nd
1997 Marlins 5th
1996 Yankees 1st
1995 Braves 4th
1994 No World Series
1993 Blue Jays 3rd
1992 Blue Jays 1st

9/32 had a payroll outside of top 10 on opening day. However,all but 3 ended the season top 10. odds to make playoffs are significantly higher with 82% of playoff teams in that span having top 10 payrolls. Seems like odds slightly Favor high payrolls but I think this is an aborition that is going to change. I think in the next few years a top 10 will be a requirement to have a chance.

Cubs are currently 10 at $212,252,003. When will the Cardinals get back to that like 2006-2011?
From looking at the list especially recent years it’s the teams that either tank to rebuild or spend that win. So cards probably need one or the other
Payroll might be the wrong way to look at this list. Look at “market size”. Not many teams winning from small markets.
True but the royals cubs and astros won because of tanking

Cubs were 6th in payroll. Astros made significant additions for their playoff run Verlander, Liriano, Reddick, McCann.
Definitely they got there low but strong adds were made. KC is probably the best example they didn't add a lot Cueto,
Blanton, and Zobrist.

2 things though is tanking even if it did work in the past is less likely with the new set up and
needs to be supplemented from the outside. Second do those low payroll teams that make it come
out of divisions that typically spend high or low? Seems like the Marlins might be the exception there.

Posted: **03 Aug 2025 23:34 pm**

Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 21:06 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 20:40 pm
45s wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:24 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:20 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.
I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.
I wonder if they are indeed planning for a sell.
Could be a ploy to get the state to improve the current, or build a new stadium..

Let the possibility of a sale get out there..and see the response…
Surely not a new stadium. This one isn't even 20. And BPV is fairly new. I think it was built to increase value for a sale.
Except BPV is not part of the Cardinals. Owned by a different company and not considered baseball revenue. That’s the issue. Dewitt only uses gate and TV as Cardinals income. I do beleive he wants to sell. But only the team which is not where the profit is.

It isn't part of the Cardinals as far as his fancy bookwork is concerned. And I'm willing to bet he's part of that separate company that technically owns BPV. DeWitt is profiting from it. Just separates it to increase his own finances.

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 06:55 am**

Smart spending helps

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 06:59 am**

Of course spending increases a teams "chances" at a WS. We all know that its not a given that the highest spender us going to win it all, but we're now getting a chance to see the Pittsburgh , Oakland recipe for roster construction.

All you have to do is wait and see whos in the playoffs. Pretty sure that the top 6 payrolls will be there. Making the playoffs right away improves you chances.

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 07:59 am**

Does a bear have hair?

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 08:48 am**

100%

NO team in MLB will ever win a WS in this day and age trying to field a team of "homegrown" players.

The Dodgers or Yankees have spent to bring in multiple star players knowing that drafting & developing a true MLB star player is a long, long shot at best!

The last Cardinal superstar they drafted & developed started his career in 2001!

Without a string payroll commitment from ownership it's nearly impossible to win a WS.

(And NO the Rays & Brewers aren't good examples, they've NEVER WON A World Series)

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 08:52 am**

Of course it increases WS chances. But it also increases excitement and fan interest. Which has been lacking here in St. Louis.

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 08:58 am**

Money can only buy you more. The most even. The question is- is it quality or quantity more.

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 08:59 am**

OldRed wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:52 am Of course it increases WS chances. But it also increases excitement and fan interest. Which has been lacking here in St. Louis.

Exactly...all these threads about JJ because there's no excitement on the field.. when he comes up he had better be the 2nd coming of Albert...and today's fan doesn't care about how good and fun this team used to be.

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 09:17 am**

It's obvious that it does.

Anyone that says otherwise is mentally deficient.

You don't have to spend the most money, but you do have to spend your fair share and they ain't. They don't want to contend. They want to pocket money.

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 10:12 am**

CCard wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:17 am It's obvious that it does. Anyone that says otherwise is mentally deficient. You don't have to spend the most money, but you do have to spend your fair share and they ain't. They don't want to contend. They want to pocket money.

yes...

but who are the enablers??

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 10:49 am**

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 23:34 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 21:06 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 20:40 pm
45s wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:24 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:20 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.
I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.
I wonder if they are indeed planning for a sell.
Could be a ploy to get the state to improve the current, or build a new stadium..

Let the possibility of a sale get out there..and see the response…
Surely not a new stadium. This one isn't even 20. And BPV is fairly new. I think it was built to increase value for a sale.
Except BPV is not part of the Cardinals. Owned by a different company and not considered baseball revenue. That’s the issue. Dewitt only uses gate and TV as Cardinals income. I do beleive he wants to sell. But only the team which is not where the profit is.
It isn't part of the Cardinals as far as his fancy bookwork is concerned. And I'm willing to bet he's part of that separate company that technically owns BPV. DeWitt is profiting from it. Just separates it to increase his own finances.

He definitely owns it but will keep it if the team sells

Posted: **04 Aug 2025 13:22 pm**

Youboughtit wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:49 am
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 23:34 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 21:06 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 20:40 pm
45s wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:24 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 19:20 pm
Youboughtit wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:47 pm
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:40 pm It doesn't hurt. But most teams need to spend WISELY. When Mo was allowed to spend a decent amount, he squandered it like an idiot.
I just wonder why other teams are spending and the Cardinals are willing to cut payroll by $100m (after this season) and let 1.2-1.5m fans go elsewhere for entertainment. Seems like a bad business plan unless they just know a long labor stoppage is coming but even then let’s say 2 years is gone. They don’t have players on the roster to bring fans back quickly. So after a stoppage they want a 2-3 year rebuild? They may as well sell the team because after a stoppage and rebuild I for one will have moved onto something else.
I wonder if they are indeed planning for a sell.
Could be a ploy to get the state to improve the current, or build a new stadium..

Let the possibility of a sale get out there..and see the response…
Surely not a new stadium. This one isn't even 20. And BPV is fairly new. I think it was built to increase value for a sale.
Except BPV is not part of the Cardinals. Owned by a different company and not considered baseball revenue. That’s the issue. Dewitt only uses gate and TV as Cardinals income. I do beleive he wants to sell. But only the team which is not where the profit is.
It isn't part of the Cardinals as far as his fancy bookwork is concerned. And I'm willing to bet he's part of that separate company that technically owns BPV. DeWitt is profiting from it. Just separates it to increase his own finances.
He definitely owns it but will keep it if the team sells

Good luck finding a buyer who accepts that arrangement.

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