OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
And you have to go back 60 and 45 years for examples. No, I didn't forget, and it was "not soon". Sorry, I don't have that time left to wait for another Brock and Smith. WHEN will quit defending this organization and say what has really happened in the last few years?
As proven in the Padres series, Gorman is not the future at 3rd base. Why do you think they bunted so many times? He clearly doesn't have the range, or the arm for third base. Another example, you are a catcher most of your career and suddenly you end up in LF in the Majors. A Major League move which should be made in the minors. It's difficult for me that any real Cardinal fan enjoys losing.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
You forgot to mention all the 1st round flunkies like Carlson, Kozma, Greene, Thompson, Delvin Perez, Woodford, Nick Plummer, etc.
Our AAA team went 4-2 last week, lost the last 2 games b/c we still held on to Roycroft and the Memphis Manager left a good reliever in the game too long...1 inning too long on Saturday night. Two 11th hour leads blown, and Norfolk walked it off.
I believe the MLB team is more like watching our High A team... a bunch of Singles hitters.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.
I’m muffed.
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.
I’m muffed.
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
Waxing poetic about things that happened decades ago is what this board does best.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.
I’m muffed.
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
Waxing poetic about things that happened decades ago is what this board does best.
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.
I’m muffed.
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
When you’ve only won a single playoff series in a decade and are staring down the barrel of a second losing season in three years and tens of thousands of empty seats, EVERYONE should be pushing the “I want it now” button.
And let me save you some time with your response. Just pick a letter:
A: “It’s so horrible, rat.”
B. “90 wins in three of the last five seasons.”
C. “We’ve seen plenty of World Series.”
D. “Just enjoy watching young players develop, like (INSERT LIST OF HALF THE ROSTER, INCLUDING GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG LEAGUERS FOR HALF A DECADE).”
E. “(INSERT IRRELEVANT MINOR LEAGUE STAT)”
OldRed wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 17:55 pm
With trying to compete on a Major League level.
How soon you forget, Red.
How about that “AAA” shortstop who came to the Cardinals from the west coast. In his first four seasons for the Padres, he hit .258, .211, .230, .222.
He finally hit over .300 when he was 32 years old.
By golly, he ended up making the HOF.
Then there was that “AAA” player who came to us from the Windy City. His first 2 years in the majors he hit .263 and .258. And that “AAA” player
also ended up in the HOF.
Maybe, just maybe, some of the existing “AAA” Cardinals may not make the HOF, but may develop into good solid major leaguers.
Not all players in any lineup (for any team) are made up of proven grizzled veterans like you would like.
Yes, he was inducted into the HOF for his OFFENSE
You miss the main point in most discussions Cranny
He worked hard at hitting, Goldfan, and ended up hitting well enough to make the Hall, aligned with his superb defense. He ended up with 2,460 hits.
Please stay of topic, not something that happened 45 years ago.
One example, albeit 45 years old, lends no credit. And he was a pro not a prospect when he came here.
I’m muffed.
There are many recent examples of the same type of thing, dawg. Players simply don’t hit their stride the first several years in the big show. Both you and Red know that. They hit their stride when they get into their prime productive years.
What sir, are you talking about. Of course they hit their stride in their productive years. That’s a given. But their stride is measured by performance, and that’s where the similarities end.
Why call it a AAA team when you have younger guys who haven’t hit their major league stride yet? You wouldn’t do that, dawg. Red’s pushing the “I want it now” button.
When you’ve only won a single playoff series in a decade and are staring down the barrel of a second losing season in three years and tens of thousands of empty seats, EVERYONE should be pushing the “I want it now” button.
And let me save you some time with your response. Just pick a letter:
A: “It’s so horrible, rat.”
B. “90 wins in three of the last five seasons.”
C. “We’ve seen plenty of World Series.”
D. “Just enjoy watching young players develop, like (INSERT LIST OF HALF THE ROSTER, INCLUDING GUYS WHO HAVE BEEN BIG LEAGUERS FOR HALF A DECADE).”
E. “(INSERT IRRELEVANT MINOR LEAGUE STAT)”
Not defending Red here, but anyone who isn't answering D is kidding themselves. This is what the 2025 season has always been about. Sure, we had some fools gold getting in the way in late June as the Cardinals held a wildcard spot, but in a rebuilding year a fan should understand that he's going to have to learn how to enjoy a rebuild or be better off finding something else to capture his sports entertainment eye. That's just accepting reality.
