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rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:27 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:18 pm that brewers trade was just to get David Greene.. what a disaster

Remember how most thought Greene was a lot older than he claimed?

Also got Sixto Lezcano, Larry Sorensen, and Dave LaPoint in that deal.

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:18 pm that brewers trade was just to get David Greene.. what a disaster

BCT1 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 15:10 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:18 pm that brewers trade was just to get David Greene.. what a disaster

Well, David Green got us Jack Clark. I'll call it a win.

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:13 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 11:58 am In December 1980, Whitey Herzog, then the St. Louis Cardinals' general manager and manager, orchestrated a blockbuster 11-player trade with the San Diego Padres. This trade, which involved sending Terry Kennedy, John Littlefield, Al Olmsted, Mike Phillips, Kim Seaman, Steve Swisher, and John Urrea to the Padres, brought Rollie Fingers, Bob Shirley, Gene Tenace, and Bob Geren to St. Louis. This was just the beginning of a series of trades that reshaped the Cardinals roster and set them on a path to success in the 1980s.

Herzog continued to make moves, including trading Fingers, Ted Simmons, and Pete Vuckovich to the Brewers, and acquiring Bruce Sutter from the Cubs.

These trades, along with the signing of Darrell Porter, were instrumental in transforming the Cardinals into a dominant force in the 1980s, culminating in a World Series victory in 1982. -AI Google



I'm beginning to wonder if C. Bloom hasn't already been reaching out to POBO/GM's all around MLB and gauging interest in Donny, Burleson & Noot who were rumored to have received some interest but also in Gorman, Walker, Winn, multiple catchers and several pitchers?

Perhaps that's why none of them were dealt last week?

Did Bloom want to keep his trade chips for the Winter meetings?

Remember this is a fresh start coming and Bloom has no ties whatsover to any of these "Mo" players, he most likely wants to re-shape the roster with "his" type of players players.

Could we see a "Whitey - 1980" like Winter where Bloom deals away many of these current Cardinals?

If Bloom feels the team needs a complete makeover, then I'm starting to think we could.

Could be a really exciting Winter Meetings, can't wait to see what Bloom has planned!

man, I hated seeing Kennedy, Simmons, Vuk, Fingers all traded, and was NOT a fan of Porters

cardiological wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 16:38 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:13 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 11:58 am In December 1980, Whitey Herzog, then the St. Louis Cardinals' general manager and manager, orchestrated a blockbuster 11-player trade with the San Diego Padres. This trade, which involved sending Terry Kennedy, John Littlefield, Al Olmsted, Mike Phillips, Kim Seaman, Steve Swisher, and John Urrea to the Padres, brought Rollie Fingers, Bob Shirley, Gene Tenace, and Bob Geren to St. Louis. This was just the beginning of a series of trades that reshaped the Cardinals roster and set them on a path to success in the 1980s.

Herzog continued to make moves, including trading Fingers, Ted Simmons, and Pete Vuckovich to the Brewers, and acquiring Bruce Sutter from the Cubs.

These trades, along with the signing of Darrell Porter, were instrumental in transforming the Cardinals into a dominant force in the 1980s, culminating in a World Series victory in 1982. -AI Google



I'm beginning to wonder if C. Bloom hasn't already been reaching out to POBO/GM's all around MLB and gauging interest in Donny, Burleson & Noot who were rumored to have received some interest but also in Gorman, Walker, Winn, multiple catchers and several pitchers?

Perhaps that's why none of them were dealt last week?

Did Bloom want to keep his trade chips for the Winter meetings?

Remember this is a fresh start coming and Bloom has no ties whatsover to any of these "Mo" players, he most likely wants to re-shape the roster with "his" type of players players.

Could we see a "Whitey - 1980" like Winter where Bloom deals away many of these current Cardinals?

If Bloom feels the team needs a complete makeover, then I'm starting to think we could.

Could be a really exciting Winter Meetings, can't wait to see what Bloom has planned!

man, I hated seeing Kennedy, Simmons, Vuk, Fingers all traded, and was NOT a fan of Porters

Signing the prodigious drug abuser Porter and giving him the largest free agent contract in Cardinals history when Simmons, top catching prospect Kennedy and Jody Davis were in the organization was sheer insanity. And trading Simmons, Vukovich and Fingers was nonsense. Fortunately the Cardinals had the most coveted prospect in baseball, Bull Durham, to trade for Sutter who was the key to success. Whitey was vastly overrated as GM, but was without peer as field manager.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 14:21 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:27 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:18 pm that brewers trade was just to get David Greene.. what a disaster

Remember how most thought Greene was a lot older than he claimed?

Also got Sixto Lezcano, Larry Sorensen, and Dave LaPoint in that deal.

I remember in Whitey's book where he said he followed Greene home one day. Said the beer cans were sailing out ol David's car window.

RunSup wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 18:26 pm

cardiological wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 16:38 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:13 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 11:58 am In December 1980, Whitey Herzog, then the St. Louis Cardinals' general manager and manager, orchestrated a blockbuster 11-player trade with the San Diego Padres. This trade, which involved sending Terry Kennedy, John Littlefield, Al Olmsted, Mike Phillips, Kim Seaman, Steve Swisher, and John Urrea to the Padres, brought Rollie Fingers, Bob Shirley, Gene Tenace, and Bob Geren to St. Louis. This was just the beginning of a series of trades that reshaped the Cardinals roster and set them on a path to success in the 1980s.

Herzog continued to make moves, including trading Fingers, Ted Simmons, and Pete Vuckovich to the Brewers, and acquiring Bruce Sutter from the Cubs.

These trades, along with the signing of Darrell Porter, were instrumental in transforming the Cardinals into a dominant force in the 1980s, culminating in a World Series victory in 1982. -AI Google



I'm beginning to wonder if C. Bloom hasn't already been reaching out to POBO/GM's all around MLB and gauging interest in Donny, Burleson & Noot who were rumored to have received some interest but also in Gorman, Walker, Winn, multiple catchers and several pitchers?

Perhaps that's why none of them were dealt last week?

Did Bloom want to keep his trade chips for the Winter meetings?

Remember this is a fresh start coming and Bloom has no ties whatsover to any of these "Mo" players, he most likely wants to re-shape the roster with "his" type of players players.

Could we see a "Whitey - 1980" like Winter where Bloom deals away many of these current Cardinals?

If Bloom feels the team needs a complete makeover, then I'm starting to think we could.

Could be a really exciting Winter Meetings, can't wait to see what Bloom has planned!

man, I hated seeing Kennedy, Simmons, Vuk, Fingers all traded, and was NOT a fan of Porters

Signing the prodigious drug abuser Porter and giving him the largest free agent contract in Cardinals history when Simmons, top catching prospect Kennedy and Jody Davis were in the organization was sheer insanity. And trading Simmons, Vukovich and Fingers was nonsense. Fortunately the Cardinals had the most coveted prospect in baseball, Bull Durham, to trade for Sutter who was the key to success. Whitey was vastly overrated as GM, but was without peer as field manager.

+1 These trades made little sense even looking back at them now.

Whitey was a great field manager, ... except for game 7 of the 1985 World Series. That was on him, not Denkinger.

He did restore Cardinal greatness and legacy. Does anybody remember Vern Rapp?

butsir01 wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 08:32 am But he did bring us Tony Scott and Roger Freed.

cardiological wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 16:38 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:13 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 11:58 am In December 1980, Whitey Herzog, then the St. Louis Cardinals' general manager and manager, orchestrated a blockbuster 11-player trade with the San Diego Padres. This trade, which involved sending Terry Kennedy, John Littlefield, Al Olmsted, Mike Phillips, Kim Seaman, Steve Swisher, and John Urrea to the Padres, brought Rollie Fingers, Bob Shirley, Gene Tenace, and Bob Geren to St. Louis. This was just the beginning of a series of trades that reshaped the Cardinals roster and set them on a path to success in the 1980s.

Herzog continued to make moves, including trading Fingers, Ted Simmons, and Pete Vuckovich to the Brewers, and acquiring Bruce Sutter from the Cubs.

These trades, along with the signing of Darrell Porter, were instrumental in transforming the Cardinals into a dominant force in the 1980s, culminating in a World Series victory in 1982. -AI Google



I'm beginning to wonder if C. Bloom hasn't already been reaching out to POBO/GM's all around MLB and gauging interest in Donny, Burleson & Noot who were rumored to have received some interest but also in Gorman, Walker, Winn, multiple catchers and several pitchers?

Perhaps that's why none of them were dealt last week?

Did Bloom want to keep his trade chips for the Winter meetings?

Remember this is a fresh start coming and Bloom has no ties whatsover to any of these "Mo" players, he most likely wants to re-shape the roster with "his" type of players players.

Could we see a "Whitey - 1980" like Winter where Bloom deals away many of these current Cardinals?

If Bloom feels the team needs a complete makeover, then I'm starting to think we could.

Could be a really exciting Winter Meetings, can't wait to see what Bloom has planned!

man, I hated seeing Kennedy, Simmons, Vuk, Fingers all traded, and was NOT a fan of Porters

Signing the prodigious drug abuser Porter and giving him the largest free agent contract in Cardinals history when Simmons, top catching prospect Kennedy and Jody Davis were in the organization was sheer insanity. And trading Simmons, Vukovich and Fingers was nonsense. Fortunately the Cardinals had the most coveted prospect in baseball, Bull Durham, to trade for Sutter who was the key to success. Whitey was vastly overrated as GM, but was without peer as field manager.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:06 am

cardiological wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 16:38 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:13 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 11:58 am In December 1980, Whitey Herzog, then the St. Louis Cardinals' general manager and manager, orchestrated a blockbuster 11-player trade with the San Diego Padres. This trade, which involved sending Terry Kennedy, John Littlefield, Al Olmsted, Mike Phillips, Kim Seaman, Steve Swisher, and John Urrea to the Padres, brought Rollie Fingers, Bob Shirley, Gene Tenace, and Bob Geren to St. Louis. This was just the beginning of a series of trades that reshaped the Cardinals roster and set them on a path to success in the 1980s.

Herzog continued to make moves, including trading Fingers, Ted Simmons, and Pete Vuckovich to the Brewers, and acquiring Bruce Sutter from the Cubs.

These trades, along with the signing of Darrell Porter, were instrumental in transforming the Cardinals into a dominant force in the 1980s, culminating in a World Series victory in 1982. -AI Google



I'm beginning to wonder if C. Bloom hasn't already been reaching out to POBO/GM's all around MLB and gauging interest in Donny, Burleson & Noot who were rumored to have received some interest but also in Gorman, Walker, Winn, multiple catchers and several pitchers?

Perhaps that's why none of them were dealt last week?

Did Bloom want to keep his trade chips for the Winter meetings?

Remember this is a fresh start coming and Bloom has no ties whatsover to any of these "Mo" players, he most likely wants to re-shape the roster with "his" type of players players.

Could we see a "Whitey - 1980" like Winter where Bloom deals away many of these current Cardinals?

If Bloom feels the team needs a complete makeover, then I'm starting to think we could.

Could be a really exciting Winter Meetings, can't wait to see what Bloom has planned!

man, I hated seeing Kennedy, Simmons, Vuk, Fingers all traded, and was NOT a fan of Porters

Signing the prodigious drug abuser Porter and giving him the largest free agent contract in Cardinals history when Simmons, top catching prospect Kennedy and Jody Davis were in the organization was sheer insanity. And trading Simmons, Vukovich and Fingers was nonsense. Fortunately the Cardinals had the most coveted prospect in baseball, Bull Durham, to trade for Sutter who was the key to success. Whitey was vastly overrated as GM, but was without peer as field manager.

"overrated"?

He built a World Series Champion w/those deals from a team that had won nothing for a DECADE.

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:14 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:06 am

cardiological wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 16:38 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:13 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 11:58 am In December 1980, Whitey Herzog, then the St. Louis Cardinals' general manager and manager, orchestrated a blockbuster 11-player trade with the San Diego Padres. This trade, which involved sending Terry Kennedy, John Littlefield, Al Olmsted, Mike Phillips, Kim Seaman, Steve Swisher, and John Urrea to the Padres, brought Rollie Fingers, Bob Shirley, Gene Tenace, and Bob Geren to St. Louis. This was just the beginning of a series of trades that reshaped the Cardinals roster and set them on a path to success in the 1980s.

Herzog continued to make moves, including trading Fingers, Ted Simmons, and Pete Vuckovich to the Brewers, and acquiring Bruce Sutter from the Cubs.

These trades, along with the signing of Darrell Porter, were instrumental in transforming the Cardinals into a dominant force in the 1980s, culminating in a World Series victory in 1982. -AI Google



I'm beginning to wonder if C. Bloom hasn't already been reaching out to POBO/GM's all around MLB and gauging interest in Donny, Burleson & Noot who were rumored to have received some interest but also in Gorman, Walker, Winn, multiple catchers and several pitchers?

Perhaps that's why none of them were dealt last week?

Did Bloom want to keep his trade chips for the Winter meetings?

Remember this is a fresh start coming and Bloom has no ties whatsover to any of these "Mo" players, he most likely wants to re-shape the roster with "his" type of players players.

Could we see a "Whitey - 1980" like Winter where Bloom deals away many of these current Cardinals?

If Bloom feels the team needs a complete makeover, then I'm starting to think we could.

Could be a really exciting Winter Meetings, can't wait to see what Bloom has planned!

man, I hated seeing Kennedy, Simmons, Vuk, Fingers all traded, and was NOT a fan of Porters

Signing the prodigious drug abuser Porter and giving him the largest free agent contract in Cardinals history when Simmons, top catching prospect Kennedy and Jody Davis were in the organization was sheer insanity. And trading Simmons, Vukovich and Fingers was nonsense. Fortunately the Cardinals had the most coveted prospect in baseball, Bull Durham, to trade for Sutter who was the key to success. Whitey was vastly overrated as GM, but was without peer as field manager.

"overrated"?

He built a World Series Champion w/those deals from a team that had won nothing for a DECADE.

the trade with the Brewers and signing porter was unnecessary and quite honestly bad. no 2 ways about it

butsir01 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 14:07 pm LaPoint’s nickname was “Snacks.”

BCT1 wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 15:10 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:18 pm that brewers trade was just to get David Greene.. what a disaster

Well, David Green got us Jack Clark. I'll call it a win.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 10:22 am

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:14 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Aug 2025 09:06 am

cardiological wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 16:38 pm

moose-and-squirrel wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 12:13 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑03 Aug 2025 11:58 am In December 1980, Whitey Herzog, then the St. Louis Cardinals' general manager and manager, orchestrated a blockbuster 11-player trade with the San Diego Padres. This trade, which involved sending Terry Kennedy, John Littlefield, Al Olmsted, Mike Phillips, Kim Seaman, Steve Swisher, and John Urrea to the Padres, brought Rollie Fingers, Bob Shirley, Gene Tenace, and Bob Geren to St. Louis. This was just the beginning of a series of trades that reshaped the Cardinals roster and set them on a path to success in the 1980s.

Herzog continued to make moves, including trading Fingers, Ted Simmons, and Pete Vuckovich to the Brewers, and acquiring Bruce Sutter from the Cubs.

These trades, along with the signing of Darrell Porter, were instrumental in transforming the Cardinals into a dominant force in the 1980s, culminating in a World Series victory in 1982. -AI Google



I'm beginning to wonder if C. Bloom hasn't already been reaching out to POBO/GM's all around MLB and gauging interest in Donny, Burleson & Noot who were rumored to have received some interest but also in Gorman, Walker, Winn, multiple catchers and several pitchers?

Perhaps that's why none of them were dealt last week?

Did Bloom want to keep his trade chips for the Winter meetings?

Remember this is a fresh start coming and Bloom has no ties whatsover to any of these "Mo" players, he most likely wants to re-shape the roster with "his" type of players players.

Could we see a "Whitey - 1980" like Winter where Bloom deals away many of these current Cardinals?

If Bloom feels the team needs a complete makeover, then I'm starting to think we could.

Could be a really exciting Winter Meetings, can't wait to see what Bloom has planned!

man, I hated seeing Kennedy, Simmons, Vuk, Fingers all traded, and was NOT a fan of Porters

Signing the prodigious drug abuser Porter and giving him the largest free agent contract in Cardinals history when Simmons, top catching prospect Kennedy and Jody Davis were in the organization was sheer insanity. And trading Simmons, Vukovich and Fingers was nonsense. Fortunately the Cardinals had the most coveted prospect in baseball, Bull Durham, to trade for Sutter who was the key to success. Whitey was vastly overrated as GM, but was without peer as field manager.

"overrated"?

He built a World Series Champion w/those deals from a team that had won nothing for a DECADE.

the trade with the Brewers and signing porter was unnecessary and quite honestly bad. no 2 ways about it

He had his reasons and they WORKED.