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An Old Friend wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 10:34 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 09:44 am Nolan is going to have to play much less to open room for some of these guys. Will they do that?

That’s what I was going to say. After mid-August, near everyday lineup should have Gorman at 3B, Winn at SS, Wetherholt at 2B, and Contreras at 1B

Herrera primary DH, part time LF
OF ends up being a mess with playing time needed for Walker, Donovan, Burleson, Nootbaar, Scott, plus Herrera.

Ideally Nootbaar can get some time share in CF to free up the corners a little bit.

Arenado needs to be relegated to pinch hit / defensive replacement most days.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 11:16 am If by exciting the fanbase now, you mean the next 60 days then, no there is nothing they can do. If you mean before next opening day, then yes, there is much they can do.

1) Have Chaim Bloom deliver the post season press conference. Mo just makes people mad when he speaks and no one wants to hear what he has to say anymore. Stop making people mad when it is avoidable. These other people just sound better when they speak.
2) At the press conference don't say anything about payroll going forward that isn't true. Under-promise and over-deliver on offseason plans.
3) Fair, or not, replace the manager. If they want to give Cardinals fans something to get excited about, hire Albert, or Skip.
4) Take meaningful steps in the offseason to fix the clunky roster. Fans will recognize the competence in this right away.
5) Stop implying that fans are not doing their part to support the team. Show some contrition and competence- fans will respond well to that.
6) Fix the TV deal. It feels like the team is hiding behind this to torpedo payroll.

These things, taken together, will increase attendance even without increasing payroll. If they were to make some sort of commitment to a larger payroll and follow through, the attendance would be even better.

Cranny wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 10:15 am

Dazepster wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 09:44 am In the Short Term? No

Longer Term? Possibly, provided we internally develop a few Wainos and a Pujols or 2 or 3.


No chance at competing until the DeWitts are Gone!!!

Right. Then a new owner increases payroll to $200 million and there are only 10 teams or so spending more. The market is mid sized. Where do you think the metropolitan area ranks in the U.S.?

Banner29 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 11:41 am Fire Oli, whether you agree or not a large majority of the fanbase no longer wants Mos stench anywhere near this team. Hire a guy with credibility

Dewitt speaks up and says they will do everything they can to bring this team back to life and get fan interest back. And own up to why things are the way they are now. Gaslighting the fanbase by saying they won’t invest in the team if they don’t get support from the fanbase is only going to drive people away further. Swallow your pride and deflate your ego and cater to your customers


It’s literally that simple.

Cranny wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 10:15 am

Dazepster wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 09:44 am In the Short Term? No

Longer Term? Possibly, provided we internally develop a few Wainos and a Pujols or 2 or 3.


No chance at competing until the DeWitts are Gone!!!

Right. Then a new owner increases payroll to $200 million and there are only 10 teams or so spending more. The market is mid sized. Where do you think the metropolitan area ranks in the U.S.?

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 11:16 am If by exciting the fanbase now, you mean the next 60 days then, no there is nothing they can do. If you mean before next opening day, then yes, there is much they can do.

1) Have Chaim Bloom deliver the post season press conference. Mo just makes people mad when he speaks and no one wants to hear what he has to say anymore. Stop making people mad when it is avoidable. These other people just sound better when they speak.
2) At the press conference don't say anything about payroll going forward that isn't true. Under-promise and over-deliver on offseason plans.
3) Fair, or not, replace the manager. If they want to give Cardinals fans something to get excited about, hire Albert, or Skip.
4) Take meaningful steps in the offseason to fix the clunky roster. Fans will recognize the competence in this right away.
5) Stop implying that fans are not doing their part to support the team. Show some contrition and competence- fans will respond well to that.
6) Fix the TV deal. It feels like the team is hiding behind this to torpedo payroll.

These things, taken together, will increase attendance even without increasing payroll. If they were to make some sort of commitment to a larger payroll and follow through, the attendance would be even better.

OldRed wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 11:28 am

Cranny wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 10:15 am

Dazepster wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 09:44 am In the Short Term? No

Longer Term? Possibly, provided we internally develop a few Wainos and a Pujols or 2 or 3.


No chance at competing until the DeWitts are Gone!!!

Right. Then a new owner increases payroll to $200 million and there are only 10 teams or so spending more. The market is mid sized. Where do you think the metropolitan area ranks in the U.S.?

When the Cardinals had good teams, they drew fans from Cape, Mt. Vernon, Springfield, Ill, Paducah and other areas withing 150 miles regularly. Has very little to do with metropolitan area and you should know this.

3dender wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 10:39 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 10:34 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 09:44 am Nolan is going to have to play much less to open room for some of these guys. Will they do that?

That’s what I was going to say. After mid-August, near everyday lineup should have Gorman at 3B, Winn at SS, Wetherholt at 2B, and Contreras at 1B
...
Arenado needs to be relegated to pinch hit / defensive replacement most days.

What do you think the chances are Oli does this? I'd put it at <1%.

Futuregm2 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 10:40 am

An Old Friend wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 10:34 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 09:44 am Nolan is going to have to play much less to open room for some of these guys. Will they do that?

That’s what I was going to say. After mid-August, near everyday lineup should have Gorman at 3B, Winn at SS, Wetherholt at 2B, and Contreras at 1B

Herrera primary DH, part time LF
OF ends up being a mess with playing time needed for Walker, Donovan, Burleson, Nootbaar, Scott, plus Herrera.

Ideally Nootbaar can get some time share in CF to free up the corners a little bit.

Arenado needs to be relegated to pinch hit / defensive replacement most days.

Think Blaze Jordan might be in St. Louis this season? Or maybe more likely next year? He has 182 PAs in AAA this year hitting .298 with an .820 OPS. Guessing not enough PAs to go around though.

Bomber1 wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 12:05 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 11:16 am If by exciting the fanbase now, you mean the next 60 days then, no there is nothing they can do. If you mean before next opening day, then yes, there is much they can do.

1) Have Chaim Bloom deliver the post season press conference. Mo just makes people mad when he speaks and no one wants to hear what he has to say anymore. Stop making people mad when it is avoidable. These other people just sound better when they speak.
2) At the press conference don't say anything about payroll going forward that isn't true. Under-promise and over-deliver on offseason plans.
3) Fair, or not, replace the manager. If they want to give Cardinals fans something to get excited about, hire Albert, or Skip.
4) Take meaningful steps in the offseason to fix the clunky roster. Fans will recognize the competence in this right away.
5) Stop implying that fans are not doing their part to support the team. Show some contrition and competence- fans will respond well to that.
6) Fix the TV deal. It feels like the team is hiding behind this to torpedo payroll.

These things, taken together, will increase attendance even without increasing payroll. If they were to make some sort of commitment to a larger payroll and follow through, the attendance would be even better.

Good post and pretty much agree with everything except # 3.

Replace the manager but please,

Bring in a manager with no ties to the Cardinals.

Cranny wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 10:15 am

Dazepster wrote: ↑01 Aug 2025 09:44 am In the Short Term? No

Longer Term? Possibly, provided we internally develop a few Wainos and a Pujols or 2 or 3.


No chance at competing until the DeWitts are Gone!!!

Right. Then a new owner increases payroll to $200 million and there are only 10 teams or so spending more. The market is mid sized. Where do you think the metropolitan area ranks in the U.S.?