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I raced Baez in the poconos. He has burly like speed, who hsd edman like athleticism. Who of course, had a Musial like eye.

Wattage wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:34 pm

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:25 pm How much team control does Rogers have left?

Rogers is a free agent just like helsley but has a 1.8 era and 0.86 whip while helsley has 3.00 era and 1.39 whip.

But Rogers also pitched in 70+ innings and 68+ games 4 yeats in a row while helsley has never putched 70 innings or more than 66 games and only pitched more than 54 games once and frequently makes himself unavailable- says he can never pitch 3 nights in a row- and doesnt like to pitch back to back nights too often either.

Im not quite sure why they thought helsley is worth more other than the save stat. Rogers has clearly been better and more available in a game to game basis

Quit using facts and talking sense. The rant raving has begun and will not stop until…well, with the moronic takes on this board probably never.

Cardinals grade: A-
The St. Louis Cardinals (https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/_/name/st ... -cardinals) are 8-15 in July entering Wednesday night's game, no doubt changing their thinking from playoff contender to playoff pretender and leading to this trade. Baez is the headline prospect here, No. 5 on Kiley McDaniel's list of the top 10 prospects (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/436 ... daniel#nym) in a deep Mets system. The 20-year-old has played all over the infield -- he's probably headed to third base in the long run -- and is hitting .244/.334/.406 in High-A.
He has plus bat speed and some high-end exit velocity readings, and despite being young for his league, he has kept his strikeout rate in check at just 16%. While the numbers don't necessarily jump out, his .740 OPS is well above the Sally League average of .672. He's hardly a sure thing, but the upside here makes Baez a nice return for a rental reliever.
Dohm is the better of the two pitching prospects, a third-round pick last year out of Mississippi State who has a 2.87 ERA as a starter across two levels of A-ball. He's been handled carefully after his junior season in college was cut short with a forearm strain, but he's a fastball-heavy pitcher with a good slider. He was up to 99 mph as a reliever for the Bulldogs, so that could be his ultimate destination.
In the end, I think the Cardinals read the trade market correctly: The price for relievers has looked pretty hi
gh so far, and while they are just five games out of a wild-card spot, they're trending in the wrong direction, with no real signs that they'll snap out of it.
-- Schoenfield

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:27 pm You aren’t going to get much for a closer who they are hitting .400 against his fast ball is a two month rental and they can’t offer him QO. Too many people believed Mel that the correct decision was to keep helsley and fedde and trade them at the deadline because their value would be higher than in the offseason. Easy obvious wrong. Both should have been traded in the offseason when me and others were saying it

Not trading Helsley in the offseason was the poor decision as I and others wanted the team to do.

A better return coming off a great season and it gives the receiving team a chip to use if they deem themselves as not contending at the deadline.

We don't know what teams may have been offering or if Helsley was even being shopped but any thought of not moving him last winter was blatantly wrong.

ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:26 pm

TopofthePerch wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:25 pm

Web7 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:24 pm Mo really sucks at his job so bad

He isn't half the loser and tool you are.

Why do you guys defend one of the pillars that ruined the cardinals so much ?

It has nothing to do with defending the front office. Its more of realizing the trade worth of a guy who might pitch 15 innings for the Mets before he says "see ya!"

Put the shoe on the other foot. Would you give up a top 5 prospect for a 2 month rental? If so, you got no business criticizing anyone in the Cardinals FO. This place would go bat [shirt] crazy if the Cardinals traded a top 5 for a 2 month RP.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:41 pm

Hoosier59 wrote: ↑30 Jul 2025 18:32 pm The Mets did give up more to get Roger’s. Phillies gave up Abel+, Blue Jays gave up more for Dominguez.
I don’t like this trade at all. We got 3 guys who probably will never see the majors.

Weird. Those teams gave up more for pitchers who have either been better, are younger, have more team control, or some combination of those things??

That's crazy!!

Choosing when to sell is whose responsibility? What would Helsley have gotten at last years deadline? Still one man’s failure